Essay: Postmodern Religion and the Faith of Social Justice

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  1. Solver, Jan 18, 2019
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    Link to the essay,
    https://areomagazine.com/2018/12/18/postmodern-religion-and-the-faith-of-social-justice/

    “Increasingly, we are seeing insistences that Social Justice has become a new religion. The purpose of this essay is to explore this topic in some depth. Because this essay is inordinately long—because the topic is inordinately complicated—it is broken into sections, as listed below. The reader is encouraged to engage with it in pieces and to treat it as he or she would a short book on this topic.”

    Quite a read by two of the whistle-blowers that recently exposed actual nonsense promoted in academia.
     
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    Absolutely it's a religion. I am a science academic and the encroachment of this nonsense through the administration is nothing short of Orwellian. These people study a useless degree and can only get jobs in university administration. The numbers of administration to academics have explode to 5:1 in some universities. They invent tests, and programs the faculty has to conform too, many to weed-out the last conservatives and moderates at universities with "hidden bias testing", and "consent courses", and mandatory "cultural intelligence" courses. Why don't you check my Thetan levels why you are at it?

    If I were to be technical I would call it an emergent secular religious teaching. It is trivial to see the similarities.

    "Concept of sin" - Privilege.
    "Original sin" - Being born a straight, white, male.
    "Path to redemption" - Public denouncement of your privilege.
    "Divine revelation" - intersectionality, race/gender/trans "theory".
    "Road to Damascus Conversion" - Woke advertising.
    "The second coming" - Socialism in the west

    To say nothing of how it generates violence, hatred, polarisation, iconoclasm, othering of non-believers and apostates, witch trials, and ENDLESS prothletising, etc..

    Not a fan!
     
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    I’m sure universities have too many administrators. But if they don’t have enough that the researchers have to do it. And that’s less efficient.
     
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    If you want to see where this can go, look at the horrific nightmare of the Maoist Great Leap Forward. I actually met a college student who said Mao was her greatest hero.
     
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    That college student sounds like an idiot.

    I met a college student who liked the North Korean regime.
     
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    I wonder how many recent federal laws there are pushing this type of religion?
     
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    Ones passed by the Republican Party who have controlled at least one house of Congress since 2010?
     
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    I’m wondering if people view “the market” in the same way. It seems to be the dominant religion of the 21st century.

    We can’t make life better for people because of how this omnipresent “market” might react. Lay off workers? The market loves it. Try to raise wages for employees? The market will rain its fury upon you.

    All policy has to be run through the logic of how The Market will react. That’s a diety if I’ve ever seen one.
     
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    The Great Mammon indeed.
    All bow down…
     
  10. hulugu, Jan 18, 2019
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    I met a college student who said he wanted to be Tyler Durden from "Fight Club." Aside from the fact that college students can be idiots like the rest of the background population—find the dummest thing said by a college student and I'll raise you a Congress critter—this tells us very little about most college students. One thing about students is that often know a little about a lot, which leads them to say accept how Mao brought China forward, but without knowing about the attendant mass murder or the collapse of the nation's agriculture system.

    Of course, there are people who yammer on about the greatness of the Founding Fathers without noticing their drunken duels, their abject subjugation of African slaves, and the mass murder of Native Americans.

    I'm a little worried about any essay that doesn't treat Sullivan's essay on the subject with kid gloves, because that piece was deeply flawed, but there are some arguments here worth considering.

    From the end of the essay:

    I tend to agree. This doesn't support the current conservative panic about Social Justice, however, it's important to note that any "faith system" that tries to upend science and learning (and I would argue journalism) should be looked at skeptically.

    That said, the conservative reaction is largely a fury about their favored system—Judeo-Christian mythology with a pro-Western civilization—being replaced. They're not worried about faith systems, they're worried about their faith system.

    Which means that the when the Steve King's of the world start complaining about Social Justice, they should be looked at skeptically as well.
     
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    I met a student who thought Ayn Rand was a philosopher and not a romantic novelist.
     
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    The right has their own version of SJW craziness which involves a lot of standing with their hands over their hearts while the national anthem is playing and military jets flying overhead. Many times there's a flag the literal size of a football field for the brethren to gaze upon (tears in their eyes of course).
    Oh and that idiot who admired Mao, she was majoring in comparative communism - I sh*t you not. That kind of thing turns me into my grandparents where I'm convinced the world is going to hell in a hand basket.
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    Are you really talking about the 21st century? Minimum wages are being raised all over the place, and most people think it's good thing. There are all kinds of restrictions and regulations with regards to laying off workers now, and popular opinion is we should have more laws against firing like the EU.
    BTW, the right only pays lip service to "the market" to get elected.
     
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    Right. There's a whole weird set of comparative sociological faiths in the U.S., and the modern post-911 culture of pomp and circumstance is a problem. I suspect we had a similar culture after WWII, but it was mitigated by the fact that there were so many citizen-soldiers. The other part that bothers me is how the flag waiving types have tried to bring in police and fire—the black U.S. flag with a blue, red, or green stripe—as part of their tribe. The proto-militarism mixed with the shibboleth of "civilians" can't be good long-term.

    That's a major? I'd think that'd be tucked under the B.A. for History or Political Science as an emphasis. It's an interesting study, I guess. Of course, I spent a bunch of time researching the Mongols for my history degree, and those guys were fascinating and sometimes admirable, even though they also committed genocide and wiped entire civilizations off the map.
     
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    Quite a read indeed. These guys must wear velvet jackboots:

    This is a rather limited view from a detractor's perspective. At the core social justice is about the equitable and fair treatment of all individuals (which is the inflexible part) with the full knowledge of what is equal is not necessarily fair. The identity stuff is a short-cut route to lump similar individual circumstances together rather than address typical individual problems.

    Liberation from oppression isn't a bad thing but the author starts to go off on a tangent defining it through the lens of postmodern critical thinking. It's more of a discussion about a change in the social contract between individuals in society; and yes there is some post modernism upon the reflection of past injustices and the amount of economic and social oppression some still lived in after winning liberties previously denied them. It should not be about re-writing history it should be about objective truth, and in such is about moving the social contract from 'granting liberties' to 'making it right'. Which is a long and messy discussion that we haven't even got to yet because of all the label making. :rolleyes:

    LOL 'more pejoratively' part of identity politics are labels, the irony of which appears to be lost on the author.

    And then there's this
    So by demanding the government consider 'social justice' as part of secularism... and the government is supposed to uphold things like constitution, or other such documents guaranteeing the rights of the people... they become nothing more than a corporation. Governments uphold and interpret these issues in the light of modern times knowing that issues must be addressed. Thus part of the governments role is to be looking out for the liberty and fighting against the oppression of it's people, and clarifying the social contract in accordance to the citizenry.

    <edit> I liked this comment too about the article:
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    People just get stuck in a victim mindset.... blaming others for their problems....

    Of course the world is mean and not fair.... that's life.

    The USA is such a bubble... people have no perspective how good we have it compared to so many other places in the world.... no. clue.
     
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    Imagine a class, much less a major in "comparative fascism". There would be radioactive rubble everywhere.
     
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    Allow me to introduce COMFAS (as our many American members never explain Acronyms neither will I ) :

    http://comfas.org/About-COMFAS/
     
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    Of course that's a thing o_O
    I would think basket weaving would be a better college course to prepare young'ins for the workforce.
     
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    I think the fact that "There would be radioactive rubble everywhere" actually highlights the problem. A student should be able to pursue an interest in how communism or fascism works without people panicking.

    That's what I was getting at with my study of the Mongol empires. Tamerlane is an unacknowledged Hitler, who directly and indirectly murdered millions of people, estimated to be as many as 17 million, or about 5 percent of the world's population.

    Now, I could write an essay about how Timur the Lame's reign created room for the gunpowder empires setting the stage for the modern world, and be impressed about how he defeated the Mamluks of Egypt, but that doesn't mean I'm going to support a modern Timur.

    The fact that comparative communism or fascism would be considered a problem indicates that we're not working toward Enlightenment ideals, but rather that we only support study of the ideologies that give us comfort. If I were running a business school, I'd want students to understand the Fifth Generation of Chinese leadership, for example.
     
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    They could always label it, “democratic fascism,” to hide the horrific failures of fascism, since, as they may put it, “real fascism has never been tried.”
     
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    College isn't about preparing people to stamp widgets or write MySQL queries or manage people doing those things. It's about learning about the complexity of the world. And, wouldn't it be great to have someone versed in Communist history and theory in D.C. thinking about North Korea, China, etc.?
     
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    More snide comments about an argument that has not been put forward, nor any counter or evidence to support or refute such a claim. Become part of the discussion again rather than just appeasing like minded folk.
     
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    Well that’s what it historically was, before the neoliberal assault turned them into businesses in the response to the “excess of democracy” in the 60’s.
     
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    This is too flippant an answer.

    The fact is, the Communism of Marx has not been tried, owing to party politics and power, not to mention the cults of personality that seem to form around leaders. This may indicate a distinct failure of the ideology or it may indicate that powerful people will subvert system to their whims, whether it be Democracy or political Communism.

    We haven't seen a true libertarian state either, but that doesn't keep people from yammering on about their preferred utopian governments.

    And, really understanding how Russian communism included a fight between Trotsky and Stalin, or how the family of Kim Il-Sung have created a dynasty, or how Fidel Castro took over until he died, and compare that to the communism of Vietnam and Laos is really interesting.
     
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    That was for the elite in the last century where their futures where assured and the middle class only needed to graduate high school. Now college is to teach what high school was supposed to.
    We can't all spend the rest of our lives in think tanks or coffee shops, pontificating the philosophy of life.
     

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