Ethnic cleansing in Burma (Myanmar)

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by chagla, Jul 11, 2012.

  1. chagla macrumors 6502a


    Mar 21, 2008

    question is, why Aung San Suu Kyi has been so quiet about this? no international coverage. does anyone care?

    Burma: Regime behind Rohingya ethnic cleansing
    Tuesday, June 26, 2012
    By Tony Iltis
    Rohingya refugees trying to make it to Bangladesh.

    There are wildly divergent estimates of the death toll from ethnic and religious violence in the Burmese state of Arakan.

    Mainstream media reports and the Burmese government are claiming that fewer than 100 people have been killed in violence they describe as clashes between the Buddhist Rakhine majority and Muslim Rohingya minority communities.

    However, Rohingya sources estimate thousands of deaths from a planned campaign of violent ethnic cleansing by Burmese government forces. Rohingya sources say the regime has been instigating Rakhine mob violence as part of their campaign.

    France 24 said on June 22: “More than 80 people have been killed and thousands displaced in a wave of violence between Muslims and Buddhists in west Burma.”

    On June 21, the Burmese government put the death toll at 62, Associated Press reported.

    But the National Democratic Party for Human Rights (NDPHR), a Rohingya political party that won four seats in the democratic 1990 Burmese elections, said on June 19: “The information from Arakan confirmed that the death toll of Rohingya has exceeded 10,000 from Sittwe city alone, and a few thousand from Maungdaw, Rathedaung and Kyauktaw townships.

    “Most of them were shot dead, brutally beaten to death, burnt alive and the rest were those taken away by security forces into hidden areas.”

    Reports on social media from Rohingya sources inside Arakan, such as the NDPHR, have been published in English on Malaysian-based website The Sail and the site of the Ethnic Rohingya Committee of Arakan in Malaysia.

    These reports make a grim catalogue: along with mass killings, alleged atrocities include burning of villages, mass rape, mass arrests, torture, looting and extortion.

    Rakhine mobs and armed Rakhine elements have been responsible for much of the violence, but the main perpetrators have been the military and paramilitary forces of the Burmese government: the police, the army, the navy and in particular the Nasaka border security forces.

    There are also reports of clashes between Rohingya and Rakhine rioters and clashes between government forces and armed Rakhine groups.

    The violence started on June 3 in Taungup township when 10 Rohingya bus passengers were beaten to death by a 300-strong lynch mob. For the preceding week, Buddhist extremist hate groups ― assisted by the local media in Arakan ― had been blaming Muslims for the May 28 rape and murder of a Rakhine woman in the village of Thabyaychaung.

    This was used as a pretext to whip up violent anti-Rohingya sentiment.

    The NDPHR said activists from the Wanthanu Rakheta Association were distributing anti-Muslim leaflets in Taungup on the morning of June 3 immediately before the lynching.

    On June 18, three Rohingya men were sentenced to death for the May 28 rape and murder, Democratic Voice of Burma reported. One of the three, “accused of masterminding” the crime, had already died in custody (officially suicide), but death sentences can be given retrospectively under Burmese law.

    Phil Robertson, head of the Asia division of Human Rights Watch (FRW), told DVB: “We condemn the imposition of the death penalty in all cases as cruel and inhumane treatment. But we’ve also had no access to information about this case, so there is no way to say whether the three men on trial are in fact guilty.”

    Chris Lewa, Director of the Arakan Project, told DVB: “My concern would be whether there was any kind of proper judicial system. This was quite quick.”

    More than a third of Burma’s population belongs to oppressed nationalities and dozens of national liberation struggles have been ongoing since Burma won independence in 1948. In the past, both Rakhine and Rohinhya armed groups have fought the Burmese government in Arakan, and sometimes each other.

    No Rohingya groups have been involved in armed struggle for 10 years. The main Rakhine rebel group, the Arakan Liberation Party, entered peace talks with the government this year.

    Successive US governments have had a strained relationship with Burma’s military rulers. The US even provides not-so-covert support to some of the insurgent groups.

    However, a confidential October 10, 2002, cable from the US embassy in Rangoon ― published by WikiLeaks on August 30 last year ― repeats in good faith spurious allegations by Burmese military intelligence linking the Rohingya national movement with Osama bin Laden.

    The same cable expresses scepticism at Burmese government charges of terrorism against other armed national movements.

    The Burmese government has used the anti-Islam bias in the “war on terror” narrative, which the West now uses to justify its wars, to delegitimise Rohingya self-determination to Western policy makers.

    Reporting the current violence in Arakan, the Western media have generally repeated claims by the Burmese regime and Rakhine chauvinists that the Rohingya are not indigenous to Arakan, but are immigrants from Bangladesh or their descendants.

    In reality, the Rohingya can trace their existence in Arakan as far back as the Rakhine can. There are records of Islamic political entities in Arakan more than a millennium ago.

    Antipathy between different ethnic and religious groups was fostered by the British during the colonial period. In World War II, just before Burma won independence, Arakan was the site of some of the biggest clashes between the British and Japanese empires.

    Intersecting with this conflict was Burma’s struggle for independence and many local conflicts. This resulted in large-scale violence between Japanese-armed Rakhine and British-armed Rohingya militias.

    Both sides committed massacres of civilians, but the Rohingya bore the brunt of them. There was a large flow of Rohingya refugees to the nearest British territory: what is today Bangladesh.

    Since independence in 1948, there have been anti-Rohingya pogroms in 1949, 1967-8, 1978 and 1991, sending more refugees to Bangladesh.

    Encouraging Buddhist chauvinism and anti-Rohingya prejudice is the Burmese state’s political response to Rakhine nationalism. For its part, Bangladesh sees the Rohingya as illegal immigrants from Burma.
  2. likemyorbs macrumors 68000


    Jul 20, 2008
  3. iJohnHenry macrumors P6


    Mar 22, 2008
    On tenterhooks
    No need.

    Just re-watch The Killing Fields.
  4. mcrain macrumors 68000


    Feb 8, 2002
    So, Buddhists are killing Muslims? Why? I'm having a hard time getting past Buddhists killing anyone. This reminds me of the clashes between the Hindi and Muslims when the Muslims elected to destroy what was historically India to create a state of their own, and have never been able to get along with their former country.
  5. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    Like any other religion, once it becomes a societal institution it loses much of its original intent and power. Buddhism in the hands of a government and army is as meaningless as any other religion.

    This is an opportunity for the U.N. to get involved. Put some people on the ground, find out what is happening, and if need be get some humanitarian relief in place.

    That's where I'd start.
  6. NickZac macrumors 68000


    Dec 11, 2010
    I agree that once religions hit a certain point, original meanings can quickly be 'lost in translation'. Religion is a powerful tool in the hands of governments and leaders that has been used to wage wars for as long as recorded time and probably longer.
  7. chagla thread starter macrumors 6502a


    Mar 21, 2008
    Aung San Suu Kyi is showing her true colors. She is not only silent in this matter but she actually opposes even using the term Rohingya because it defines an oppressed group. it's been few years since I've opened this topic yet the cycle continues. Brutal oppression continues with the assistance of nationalist Buddhists and the military. gruesome images are in circulation showing mutilation, beheading, burning bodies committed by Burmese locals against Rohingyas. So no, not all buddhists believe in the teaching of Goutam Buddha.

    Rohingya is a minority group that does not get news coverage highlights, no one knows about them, no one cares about them. They have no education, healthcare access, confined in a small area, no freedom of movement. life is so appalling that many try to flee by sea and die every year.

    Petition - Take back Aung San Suu Kyi's Nobel Peace Prize

    News from November, 2016:

    ‘It will blow up’: fears Myanmar's deadly crackdown on Muslims will spiral out of control

    Is The Lady listening? Aung San Suu Kyi accused of ignoring Myanmar's Muslims

    Violence in Burma Has Sent Hundreds of Rohingya Muslims Fleeing to Bangladesh

    What is Aung San Suu Kyi doing about the Rohingya?
  8. chagla thread starter macrumors 6502a


    Mar 21, 2008
    Myanmar's military accused of genocide in damning UN report

    25,000 massacred, 700,000 fled to neighbor Bangladesh. If this is not genocide, I don't know what is. Darling of the West, Suu Kyi is no innocent, she has shown a lack of morality and integrity.

  9. StellarVixen macrumors 65816


    Mar 1, 2018
    Why do some threads trigger the Safari's "Reader View" by default?
  10. BaldiMac macrumors 604


    Jan 24, 2008
    Please don't bring this genocide up. We're supposed to care about America First. Also, our president has dispatched the Secretary of State to help the white guys in South Africa.
  11. Eraserhead macrumors G4


    Nov 3, 2005
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    matrix07 macrumors 601


    Jun 24, 2010
    2 races, 2 religions living close to each other. What could go wrong?
    Rohingya militants were also as brutal. They just failed to kill as many Buddhist Burmese.

    The only solution is to give Rohingya their own state.

    This is simply not true. Rohingya, just like any Islamic region in any countries.. Souhtern Thailand, Chinese Uighur, Islamic Philippine for example, always has its own Islamist militants that’s in conflict with its own government.. in this case Burmese.
  13. VulchR macrumors 68020


    Jun 8, 2009
    She has been clear all along. She has stated publicly (e.g., the BBC Reith lecture) that she chose a non-violent path not because violence is wrong per se, but because she thought it would not work. She considers the Army her father's, and now by extension, hers. I find her inaction reprehensible and enabling of genocide, but I am also disappointed in the wide-eyed people who put her up on a pedestal like she was some sort of Ghandi without listening to what she was actually saying. She's no dove, and never was.
  14. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000


    Jun 4, 2008
    Let the EU take the lead and do something about it.
  15. DearthnVader macrumors 6502a


    Dec 17, 2015
    Red Springs, NC
  16. PracticalMac macrumors 68030


    Jan 22, 2009
    Houston, TX
    6 years on, still happening.

    Why should they? Much like why should USA?

    I am very surprised non of the Muslim nations have not done anything, like inviting the relatively small popular to live in their lands?
    Oh, that's right, perhaps its like how little support they give to Palestinians.

    But then we can say the same about 1939 MS St. Louis voyage., where it was America who refused some 900 European Jews fleeing Nazi Germany (yet pressured other countries to accept them).

    Considering it was 900 people verses 100,000's, does this make America a worse country than Muslim nations for not "rescuing" persecuted peoples?
  17. Solomani macrumors 68040


    Sep 25, 2012
    Alberto, Canado
    Are you saying that Buddhists are incapable of being dicks? Maybe you've never heard of this fellow named Steve Jobs…. :D:apple:

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