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Europe should read lightly because this could open up the doors for blow back from conservatives who believe less taxes are better.
 
Better get busy with f*&$ing Luxembourg then, that place is Switzerland on steroids. It's disgraceful, you earn your profits here, you pay taxes on those profits here. You need us far, far more than we need you.

I don't get why our politicians don't do something about this? Starbucks paying to cooperation tax for three years? Shut them down, there's a dozen other coffee chains happy to pay taxes and do business. Amazon not paying tax? Shut them down and they'll be three companies up and running to replace them over night. No business is irreplaceable.

But silly me, I forgot our politicians are all bribed, sorry 'lobbied' to look the other way. God I hate the mainstream political parties in this country, they are scum!

They are also investigating Luxembourg. FIAT is one of the companies investigated
 
They are also investigating Luxembourg. FIAT is one of the companies investigated

Good but it's prolific. This needs serious political will to stamp it out across the EU and US. If everyone paid their fair share in taxes there would be less pressure and so overall lower taxes.
Tax law in the UK needs to be ripped up and started over, it's a mess that allows for loophole after loophole to be exploited. If you are hardworking and honest you are pretty much guaranteed to be exploited and screwed in this country by the state and parasites who choose not to work and opt for the benefits career.
 
That would sound so much more convincing if the USA did own 17 Trillion dollars.:p

Your whole country is living on some else dime.:p

Pay you way moocher:p

No, 1/2 the country is paying taxes and the leech class which doesn't is having our production redistributed to them.
 
I understand the law as you have explained. I guess I am not clear if Apple did anything illegal. A company has the right to negotiate with another company for goods or with a state for tax breaks. There is nothing illegal with that. If Apple knowingly entered into a contract that was illegal due to EU regulations then I agree that should get punished, but if Apple simply negotiated well and it was Ireland that acted knowing they were violating the EU regulations then why should Apple have to pay? I don't know the details, but it sounded from this article that the EU found that Ireland did wrong, not Apple. But if I misunderstood and it found that Apple knowingly colluded in the violation then I have no issue with them paying.

Whether Apple knowingly entered an agreement which constitutes illegal state aid is irrelevant. The test here is 1) whether the agreement constitutes state aid; and 2) whether the state aid is legal or not. If it is found to be illegal state aid, I expect the Commission to order recovery of said aid.

Keep in mind, this is not a criminal case. There's no point going into detail on whether Apple "colluded" with the Irish government.

Thus it isn't EU laws that supersedes anything, but the obligation to implement laws according to the treaty Ireland entered into by joining the EU.
Actually, the supremacy of EU laws over national laws is fairly well established. And as has been pointed out many times in this thread, there are in fact EU Regulations that are implemented directly as law in every single member state, without any room for national interpretation. You are confusing regulations with directives.
 
And how the EU would wipe jobs? Are you saying that EU will close Apple jobs in Ireland? Are you saying that a company don't have to return illegal taxes because they can treat to leave the country?

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By EU forcing the Irish government to change or do away with it's tax structure and incentives it may no longer be possible to attract foreign companies who only are there BECAUSE of the tax advantages and possibilities.

If anything truly illegal was done, then of course make the guilty parties pay and then some!
 
By EU forcing the Irish government to change or do away with it's tax structure and incentives it may no longer be possible to attract foreign companies who only are there BECAUSE of the tax advantages and possibilities.

If anything truly illegal was done, then of course make the guilty parties pay and then some!

Thanks for accepting that the EU won't kill any job
 
well going from 89% debt in 2008 to 111% in 2013 is an awful lot for sure ... even if the economy picks up nicely, it will take at least decade to pay back that much. Even for the US.
35% extra in 5 years is crazy considering the US size


in Austria the discussion is currently about the new federal debt calculation method which was just updated by the EU to included external companies/partly state own companies and their debt and assets, and science investments etc.

needless to say Austria's debt went from 74% to 81%:rolleyes:


have any dutch newspapers reported on the new calculations ?

It’s now 75% which is down from 79% in 2010


http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/netherlands

Better get busy with f*&$ing Luxembourg then, that place is Switzerland on steroids. It's disgraceful, you earn your profits here, you pay taxes on those profits here. You need us far, far more than we need you.

While I understand that Luxembourg is in the wrong for it's tax regime, the real anger in the EU is with Ireland, the arrogance when they thought they were the celtic tiger, only to be shown to be that it was like Iceland a MYTH.
90 Billion was needed to bail them out, did they really think there would be no consequences.

No, 1/2 the country is paying taxes and the leech class which doesn't is having our production redistributed to them.

Be that as it may, the money 17 Trillion will have to be paid at some time, and by somebody.:p
 
No doubt Apple will get shot down in the press for this despite other companies doing the same thing, and also the fact Ireland is responsible.

Apple deserves to get shot down for this, they originated the Double Irish with a Dutch sandwich nonsense and have had the nerve to cry that it's their responsibility to dodge taxes take advantage of every loophole they can to return good "shareholder value".
 
No, 1/2 the country is paying taxes and the leech class which doesn't is having our production redistributed to them.

BS there are very little citizens who dont pay any taxes.

Perhaps educate yourself before repeating (wrongly) other people words?

They are also investigating Luxembourg. FIAT is one of the companies investigated


ANd the netherlands .
 
About time too. The EU should fine Ireland a multiple of taxes lost, in the same way European companies are subject to such fines in the US. It is time for this to end.

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To be honest it's not really Apple's fault. if you are a business and a country offers you a fantastic sweetheart deal what are you going to say ?

Taxes should rise for Apple and by a lot. The US tax authorities are rightly very unhappy with the use of tax avoidance techniques by Apple, in particular sheltering their international profits abroad and paying very little tax on them either via deal likes the one with Ireland

I wasn't blaming Apple, just pointing out the bad press again...
 
You must be waiting hitting refresh just so you can post the most sensationalized comment first.


It is called an RSS feed. LOL

How do you explain hitting refresh over and over to reply to all my posts with your irrelevant drivel? Must be my pheromones.... :D
 
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BS there are very little citizens who dont pay any taxes.

Perhaps educate yourself before repeating (wrongly) other people words

So what percentage of the United States population pays personal income tax at the federal level?
 
No, taxes are too high as it is, in all reality there should be a flat sales tax of no more than 10% (total for state, federal,local, county and any other municipalities that exist) on everything the end consumer purchases and absolutely no other taxes. The various governments should then be forced to live within this budget and never borrow money. Bottom line is that 10% of the people's income is very doable for any government to work with and this system would eliminate all of these tax issues.
Governments should firstly stop wasting tax money and should be forced to transparency.
 
But what is the penalty for Ireland. They clearly did wrong and as punishment they may get to collect back taxes from Apple? This seems wrong. I am trying to understand how the state gets punished. Do people go to jail? Does the money go to the EU and not Ireland? What?

I'm not sure if punishment is the right term - from what I've read so far (and I'm open to correction) there's been little mention of fines/charges. Rather Apple may be found to have 'merely' underpaid taxes and will have to pay them retrospectively.

I'm still interested in who would receive these taxes. Given that it's Ireland who was collecting the tax, and is accused of undercharging, would those billions of euros go to the Irish Revenue?

I can agree with that. I couldn't think of any other term to use at the moment. I was thinking the exact same thing regarding the repayment of taxes. Who gets it?

Yes, Ireland. Recovery of unlawful aid means that the situation must be restored, which means that Ireland must collect the missing taxes from Apple, potentially with interest. The EU won’t get any of this. The concern with unlawful state aid is that it can distort competition in the EU internal market which the Commission seeks to protect. The ‘punishment’ for Ireland will be more political in nature, but can have economic repercussions as well if companies don’t trust the Irish Government anymore.
 
So what percentage of the United States population pays personal income tax at the federal level?

Ah so you already realise the error and you changed it from "taxes" to "federal income taxes"

So lets see WHY they dont pay federal income taxes shall we?

25% is older then 65% with low income, so people that probably paid more taxes then you at the moment .

10% students with low income

10% disabilities/sick

Oh and lets not forget troops in actice duty,...

The ones that remain usualy have no or a very low income .


Oh yes as you so nicely said it the " leech class" . What are you waiting for? Inlist afghanistan is nice this time of the year .

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No, taxes are too high as it is, in all reality there should be a flat sales tax of no more than 10% (total for state, federal,local, county and any other municipalities that exist) on everything the end consumer purchases and absolutely no other taxes.



The various governments should then be forced to live within this budget and never borrow money.



Bottom line is that 10% of the people's income is very doable for any government to work with and this system would eliminate all of these tax issues.


Actually that depends what you want that the gouv does .5% might be enough 50% not enough . It all depends on its tasks .
 
No, VAT is not always independent of profit. If your profit is low because your markup is low, your VAT liability will be correspondingly low, as the difference between VAT received and VAT paid will be less.

while they can seem to be connected there is no real connection between the two because of a whole host of variable reasons ranging from the VAT rate of the sold goods/service compared to the VAT on goods/service purchased, is staff on salary or are they contractors, are the goods/services exported etc.

however in general terms one would assume that if a company collects and pays the government a lot of VAT that it does well and then vice versa
 
BS there are very little citizens who dont pay any taxes.

It's actually about the bottom 20%, with respect to federal taxes.

The lowest quintile get enough from the earned income tax credit to refund the payroll and excise taxes they paid. The Congressional Budget Office publishes this info every year, showing the trends back to 1979.

Of course, that doesn't account for state and local taxes. But, that's 50 different variations to consider.
 
But think for a moment. If what Apple and hundreds of other corporations did in Ireland was so clearly illegal, then why the hell did they get away with it for so long? And why was no one (in the EU) able to enforce it years ago?

The more companies involved the more a nonsense it is to claim they got special treatment. The less companies the less the finding matters. Tbh it sounds like the EU is trying to sidestep the fact that agreements on tax matters require unanimous agreement by all countries.
 
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