Ex-Floyd manager: iTunes an album sales ‘disaster’

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  1. MacBytes macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003
  2. BornAgainMac macrumors 603


    Feb 4, 2004
    Florida Resident
    Solution? Make all the music on the album not suck.
  3. majordude macrumors 68020


    Apr 28, 2007
    Brilliant! ;)
  4. bmb012 macrumors 6502

    Jul 25, 2006
    “buy the two album tracks that are worth buying,”

    I got a solution to that problem for ya, and it involves removing your head from some place unpleasant ;)

    Ironic, though, considering 'The Wall' is an absolute masterpiece from start to finish, and is an example of a CD that should not be unbundled, the likes of which quite simply don't exist today.
  5. trbeat macrumors member

    Apr 20, 2004
    Coatesville, PA
    Here is another example of where Apple can never win. I totally agree with the comment above, but I see so many posts on reviews of albums where people complain that they have to buy the whole album. As sad as it is, the record companies want everything, they want to release crap albums and force the consumer to buy it ....
  6. casik macrumors regular

    Jan 18, 2007
    if you like it all buy it all, if not, then don't!.... does that seem so odd?
  7. JoePike macrumors member

    Jun 22, 2004
    Minneapolis, MN

    The tally was over five billion songs sold on iTunes the last time I heard...what a disaster.

    Here's the flaw in his logic. People are MUCH more willing to spend $2 to download the two songs they really want to hear, rather than spending $14 for a CD that has the two songs they really want to hear and ten songs that they don't care about. I would guess that for every one person willing to buy a CD for full price there are twenty or more people willing to spend a buck for a really great song. Maybe more like fifty or a hundred. It's idiots like this guy that force Apple into offering "Album Only" tracks. If the physical medium is practically dead, why continue to conform to the limitations of that medium?
  8. La Porta macrumors regular

    La Porta

    Dec 15, 2006
    Perfect example: Last week, I was more than willing to buy a certain song from the store. When I finally found the only version that the store carried, it was labeled as "Album Only." That was all I needed to hop on the LimeWire train. Seriously, I want to buy all this stuff legally. However, if they don't give me a good option to...I won't.
  9. majordude macrumors 68020


    Apr 28, 2007
    The music industry hasn't realized that their business model has changed. Actually, it has become obsolete.

    Newspapers are next.

    Go back just 30 years. Stop. There were these things called telegrams. Stop. You used to have to pay PER WORD. Stop!

    Overnight you could send a fax for a few pennies and later, an email for free.
  10. MacTheSpoon macrumors 6502a

    Jun 19, 2006
    I can see how this new business model could come to a shock to these big name bands that are used to moving lots of albums. I can see how'd they be bummed.

    However, there is a flip side: I browse through the iTunes store and because I can listen to a 30 second sample, I have purchased many, many songs from obscure artists whose music I've happened on. After all, I'm only out a buck if I wind up not liking their song.

    And I bet I'm not alone. So these littler guys are consequently getting some money from me and others, whereas they'd have gotten none otherwise.

    So I think what's happening is that consumers' music budgets are getting spread out more evenly between big name acts and the little guys.
  11. ezjohn1 macrumors newbie

    Aug 5, 2008

    I agree, The consensus among many people is to Pay for the tracks you want or Steal the whole Album (FREE).

    I believe Mr. Jobs Has tried to work with these fools without a lot of success, The Tens of Thousands of Artists that do sell one track, are getting paid for at least that track. 100% of 0 is 0.

    BTW, At least people now know Pink Floyd is still Alive :apple:

  12. Surely Guest


    Oct 27, 2007
    Los Angeles, CA
    People know. You didn't.
  13. chequepoint macrumors member

    Dec 4, 2007
    The problem is for real artists, the album is an art form. Call it an album, a song cycle, a symphony, whatever. When you buy one movement, its like buying one chapter from a book, or one tenth of a painting. Real artists have a lot more to say than can be expressed in a 3 minute song. A lot of time, pain, and love is spent crafting the songs, how they go from one to the next, the careful scripting of the emotional journey that the artist is guiding you on...
  14. jMc macrumors 6502


    Nov 19, 2001
    London N8, Late-16th Century
    This may be true. And people who care about that will continue to buy and listen to the whole album. Most people, however, don't care and only want one or two songs from the album. Making them buy the whole album for just a couple of songs only leads to two things:

    i. they don't bother buying it at all
    ii. they buy it and still only listen to the two songs they wanted in the first place while feeling ripped off

    A few may listen to and like the whole album who wouldn't otherwise have done so, but really the album as a complete art work (in popular music, at least) is and always has been a niche art form.

  15. OllyW Moderator


    Staff Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    The Black Country, England
    Peter Jenner only co-managed Pink Floyd up until Syd Barrett's departure in 1968. When Syd left, Jenner and his co-manager Andrew King left Floyd to manage Barrett's solo career which was unsuccessful due to his deteriorating mental health.

    Headlining Jenner in the article as the ex-manager of Floyd somewhat overstates his standing in the music industry. He was long gone before Pink Floyd enjoyed their massive worldwide success after the release of Dark Side of the Moon in 1973.

    He is now more well know for coming out with outrageous ideas for solving the problems of the music industry.
  16. mcnicks macrumors regular

    Jan 8, 2006
    By the way, which one's Pink?
  17. Peterkro macrumors 68020


    Aug 17, 2004
    Communard de Londres
    You'll get a reputation for being sensible if you keep this up.
  18. OllyW Moderator


    Staff Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    The Black Country, England
    Sorry :eek:
  19. PCMacUser macrumors 68000


    Jan 13, 2005
    It was much more fun watching the Apple apologists rage. Now that we know a bit more about the guy, there's nothing else to say really. :D
  20. Porco macrumors 68020


    Mar 28, 2005
    What I think they should do is give away the rest of the album for free when you buy say, 4 tracks (more or less depending on the album, but basically the singles, in most cases). That would actually boost the album as a concept. But they clearly value squeezing profits from the dwindling number of legitimate users over any kind of visionary new models that would appeal to everyone's idea of fairness.

    They can't (or at least shouldn't) have it both ways and charge silly money for DRM-encrusted compressed files of songs you might not have even heard and then whinge about the poor tragic decline of the album.

    To summarise: if it's about the art, man, put your money where your mouth is.
  21. JoePike macrumors member

    Jun 22, 2004
    Minneapolis, MN
    Art vs. Cash

    The big problem is that real artists are so few and far between in today's music scene. I think that's what is so interesting about this article, despite the fact that the guy quoted was only semi-involved in the rise of Pink Floyd, everybody who's listened to their music knows that their albums were painstakingly crafted to have each track work as a piece of the puzzle and all flow together to create a true masterpiece. For some reason, I just don't think many of the industry's more current top sellers like Lil' Wayne put that kind of thought into things. Most of these people don't even write their own music or lyrics, play any instruments, or even sing particularly well. The whole system is just designed to manufacture cash.

    And thanks to mcnicks for quoting a lyric from my favorite Floyd song, Have a Cigar, which ironically is about the hubris and greed of the music industry. Well done sir.
  22. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    So you expect more papers to go the way of Christian Science Monitor, with their announcement a couple weeks ago.

    With their print edition basically stopping the presses for good, becoming the first major paper to go internet only.


    Think it'll take the music industry to wake up ...
  23. JoePike macrumors member

    Jun 22, 2004
    Minneapolis, MN
    The Dark Size of Oz

    How many of you guys have watched the Wizard of Oz synced up with The Dark Side of the Moon? Even stone cold sober, it is very trippy and very cool. Geniuses.
  24. zombitronic macrumors 65816


    Feb 9, 2007
    Yarrr, when the audio tradin' companies be imposin' steep tariffs on their goods, some entrepreneurin' mateys be takin' their business to the depths of the black market.
  25. Schtumple macrumors 601


    Jun 13, 2007
    Lol, that's a huge myth, Floyd didn't make the album to sync, it's pure coincidence, after watching it myself it wasn't as big (or trippy) as every made out...

    Severely disappointed...

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