Expectations for iOS 12

Discussion in 'iOS 11' started by G201, Mar 26, 2018.


Which devices do you think will get iOS 12’s support?

  1. A7 and later (iPhone 5s/iPad Air/iPad mini 2)

  2. A8 and later (iPhone 6/iPad Air 2/iPad mini 4)

  3. A9 and later (iPhone 6s/SE/iPad Pro/iPad 5)

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  1. G201 macrumors newbie


    Jun 16, 2016
    We’re nearly 2 months away from WWDC 2018. It’s very exciting to think about the new features we would be getting with iOS 12 & I just wanted to outline the features I think should be a point of improvement with the new beta.

    1. Siri
    Siri is dumb, literally dumb. She has a great natural voice that no other assistant can compete with, Google assistant sounds robotic and Alexa has a great voice but it still isn’t as good as the one Siri has. Practically, every other assistant is smarter, Google Assistant is amazingly great when it comes to questions. Siri just seems so dumb & sometimes, she doesn’t really get what you are trying to say. Also, since 2011, her replies have been always the same, nothing has deeply changed with the typical answers you may ask everyday. Even the jokes are literally the same.. Google assistant for example can come up with a different reply each time you ask the same question, which provides an answer in a different way, she’s really funny btw. I’m not a big fan of Alexa myself just because I’m not really that much connected to Amazon & it’s products but I think it’s becoming real competition against Siri. Apple should try focusing on the fundamentals with iOS 12. The interface is fine but I think the main focus should be on how to make Siri smarter. All what we’ve seen with previous iOS updates are a bunch of updates to Siri’s interface & some added functions like the asking Siri about football scores, etc.

    2. Compatibility ^^Poll^^
    iOS 11 is a disaster, especially on older devices, people were deeply in love with how iOS 10 was really smooth and iOS 11 seems to have changed this idea. I myself don’t really hate iOS 11. I don’t own one of the oldest iPhones, so my experience wasn’t really that bad, but I’ve seen some older iPhones and tried them & it was really shocking to see how much bad it was especially on the iPhone 5s and 6. Considering that 5 years of support for the 5s means that iOS 11 is its last update is not really satisfying, especially with the bad performance. iPhone 5 with iOS 10 was really good & Apple should really do much more for the older devices with iOS 12. I expect iOS 12 to support:
    • iPhone 5s and later
    • iPad mini 2 and later
    • iPad 5th Generation and later
    • iPad Air 1 & 2
    • iPad Pro (1st & 2nd Gen)
    • iPod Touch 6
    The 5s is an old device. I fully agree but it’s just that Apple should be fully committed to making sure that it’s not any kind of planned obsolescence. The device should work normally, it can be slower by time and that’s normal, but isn’t it really weird that a device could get this much slow between iOS 10 & 11?
    We’re not really asking Apple to implement new features to the older devices, we ask for performance updates so that the device is just normally usable. Generally, we also need iOS 12 to be a more efficient update, so that it can run well on most of the devices without being such a headache like iOS 11 with updates to fix iMessage characters, iOS should be generally more efficient than to lag when an unknown character is detected.

    3. Photos app
    I believe a redesign to the photos app is really needed, it has become outdated. Also, improvements to the “memories” and “people” features should be there. Memories is so dumb that it can actually add screenshots you receive to the special albums that are supposed to outline real memories whether it’s a video clip or just the album itself.
    People album should be improved for better detection of faces, so that the identification of people in your camera roll could be done in a correct way. Also, it needs to start recognizing pets and classify them into a similar album.

    4. Files app
    This is just some useless crap, when I got iOS 11; this was just something I was aiming would be majorly life changing especially cuz I use cloud software and I wanted to link them all into one app. It unexpectedly formed a poor link between the cloud storages and the app which made it really easier to use the separate apps themselves than to use the files app. With iOS 12 we need some real improvements to the files app in which better connections should be made to the cloud services so that it would be proper and consistent.

    5. Settings
    iPhones and iPad now get lots of many new features that require toggles which are arranged in specific tabs in the Settings app. It’s great but it can be redesigned for easier use with iOS 12, to make all controls available on a single page instead than scrolling and searching to change specific settings.

    6. iBooks
    I believe Apple has some plans to improve or redesign iBooks. iBooks hasn’t really gained any noticeable new feature since it’s debut. iOS 12 can introduce the new App Store like interface to iBooks which is really needed to keep all the stores updated and in line with each other.

    7. iTunes Store
    Interface needs a major new update like how App Store got a redesign with iOS 11. It would be really exciting to have an update to the iTunes Store with iOS 12 specially because it rarely gets any major updates.

    8. Contacts
    Either introduce some new special features to this app alone or just cancel it out especially cuz we already have a contacts tab in the Phone app.

    9. Weather
    Major redesign needed. Buggiest app on the older devices though it’s literally the same since iOS 7. Needs to outline more weather data and have more proper functionality.

    10. Stocks
    Should be optionally installed from the App Store and not preloaded. Not to save storage for sure, just to save the clutter especially that most people aren’t really interested in stocks.

    11. FaceTime app
    Should be merged with the phone app as well, the app is useless when you can just make a FaceTime call from the Phone App.

    12. Calculator
    You can really mess up a calculation on this app very easily, it’s just very irritating especially that most people don’t even know there is a gesture used to function a the backspace/clear.

    13. iCloud
    Apple should implement better storage services through iCloud. If they cancelled a 16GB & 32GB iPhone then 5GBs aren’t really enough to store your personal data and pics, Google on the other side offers unlimited cloud storage if you’re storing pics through Google Photos and Google drive provides triple the storage iCloud offers for free.

    14. Control Center
    Older devices without 3D Touch could have special gestures to activate the widgets without the irritating long press that people don’t usually prefer. Also, I hope iOS 12 brings back the option to disable Bluetooth and WiFi from the Control center, the battery is already draining.. there shouldn’t be anything that stops me from fully disabling them easily without having to actually go to settings and manually disable them.

    15. Notification Center
    Certain notifications from the same app could be arranged in the same widget just to cancel out the extra clutter, which improves the overall consistency and makes the notifications more clear. Widgets tab should run more smoothly like how it did with iOS 10 as it’s really buggy to scroll and use the widgets with iOS 11. Also, the widgets typically take sometime to load which doesn’t make sense and is really irritating.

    16. 3D Touch on iPhone 6s and later.
    Should be properly updated during the beta stage, I’m not supposed to wait for months after the main update is released to receive a minor update that can make the 3D Touch toggles usable again and easier to activate. This issue happened with both iOS 10 and 11, Apple should really fix any issue with 3D Touch before the gold master version of the beta is released.

    Please share your thoughts about iOS 12 below, I would love to know what you think about and expect from the upcoming update!

    Sorry for the long list, there are just so many things that need some improvements.
    Thanks for reading
  2. Brandonjr36 macrumors 68000


    Sep 12, 2016
    I would like some sort of dark messages or a full dark mode. Also would like a redesign of iOS. It’s way overdue.
  3. Johnluke91 macrumors member

    Jul 9, 2016
    The only thing I want is to redesign iOS. iOS 7's style was never nice (personal opinion) but now it s also boring. I would love the graphics used in the wwdc18's invitation, gave me hope. Besides, I would not entirely want a dark mode, in that case it would become all dark just as it is now all white, but rather that they would return to the iOS 6 approach, each app had its own style and not tiring.
  4. TimFL1 macrumors regular

    Jul 6, 2017
    The poll is setup wrong. It makes no sense to drop the iP5s without the iP6 because the CPU and RAM setup barely differ. That‘s why none of the 2 devices get dropped with iOS12. And if they drop devices they‘ll surely drop both at the same time.
  5. skillwill macrumors 6502

    Feb 12, 2008
    I personally wouldn’t mind for this year iOS 12 actually being more of an iOS 11.5. We don’t really need anything more/new, at least as much as we need, finally, to at least have a decent amount of time with a solid operating system. iOS 11 is either only just, or possibly even not yet, a solid OS. I don’t want another year where we’re waiting for 4-5 months for an OS that just works. We never used to get brand new OS’s every year, I’m not sure why we do now. I’d prefer just a really really solid release. Yes it would be a little boring for us, but it would be such a relief also
  6. fawkes81 macrumors member

    Sep 2, 2017
    I just want to stability. No need new features. I miss the ios 6 be like...
  7. nburwell macrumors 601


    May 6, 2008
    I certainly would like to see more stability and less bugs with iOS 12. But at the same time, I would like see Apple introduce some new features for the new software as well. Notifications are still a mess, so a more streamlined solution like Android has would be nice.
  8. tkukoc macrumors 65816


    Sep 16, 2014
    Wish I Was In Space!
    New design of the OS, it's well past time. The current one does not work anymore and it's a joke to have it running on Apple's grand future vision which is X. No more hardware from me as far as ipad's/phones from Apple till there is a full redesign. There's a billion things missing that could easily be placed into the system as well as easier ways to find things using 3D Touch or long hold. As a programmer it's sad I can design these things within applications but they cannot be used outside my sandbox. Time for Apple to loosen the reigns a bit.. not a ton.. not even half.. not even a quarter.. I'm talking like less than 5% changes from app development to enhancement of the overall system. They do need a dark mode, that's what people want to see.. not just techies and that is proven by Apple TV receiving the change already. Apple Watch needs customization options, should be able to add backgrounds of any type, even moving ones, with as many complications as you want. Put warnings up during customization that says using this many complications can and will affect battery life. But there's a unit that again they claim is their most personal but you really can't customize it to fit who you are.. overpriced bands do not count here.

    Again overall.. coming from a programmer.. Apple needs to get back to the basics of what a phone is used for. It's not just a phone anymore, it's a computer. Now treat it as such and come up with a new system that shows off what the "system" can do, rather then just an icon you press to send a message or phone call. People want more.. again not just techies.

    And if IOS 12 really is just bandaids again, then do not drop any support for any devices that run IOS 11 it honestly wouldn't make any sense.
  9. Yun0 macrumors 65816


    Jun 12, 2013
    Winnipeg, Canada
  10. CTHarrryH macrumors 68000

    Jul 4, 2012
    I can guarantee at least one thing: there will be at least 10 threads that claim it is the worst IOS ever and another 10 that will state that it ruined their iPhone that ran great on IOS 11.
  11. CLS727 macrumors regular


    Feb 5, 2018
    PHOTOS desperately needs work.

    At the moment, I have 28,346 photos/videos in my library (188.64 GB on my computer, and synced with Google Drive storage that I pay for).

    The Google Photos iOS app really works well.... the search function is amazing along with the facial recognition.

    I would love to pay iCloud for that storage instead (I use it for everything else).... but macOS Photos and iOS Photos are absolute garbage by comparison.


    I also agree that FaceTime needs to be merged into the Phone app (just like iMessage and SMS are combined).

    Side-note.... I think that FaceTime on macOS could be merged with iMessage somehow.... ie: you just have 1 desktop app for text, imessage, phone calls, and facetime so it's easy to "dock" your phone when you're sitting at your desk all day.


    And Siri needs to be an iCloud service that works the same across all your devices. For example, I can tell my phone to do something on my TV. I can tell my Mac to send an text or make a phone call. I can tell my HomePod to set my alarm for the morning.
  12. G201 thread starter macrumors newbie


    Jun 16, 2016
    On paper, the iPhone 5s is very close to the iPhone 6 in perfomance but Apple is usually committed to giving support for 5 years. They never actually dropped support for 2 successive devices at the same time, the iPhone 6 still holds 20% of the overall iPhone device share around the world and it’s surely guaranteed to receive the iOS 12 update. iPhone 5s on the other side, holds a percentage less than 8%, which means that it’s very likely to be dropped as Apple has already fulfilled the 5 promised years of support. Any additional update such as iOS 12 is basically a rare condition to device this old just so that perfomance could be accepted by the users. Apple may also find users owning the iPad Air & Mini 2 to hold a large device share which can actually force them to keep supporting the full A7 device line. Anyway, we can’t be really sure about what’s going to happen, these are all expectations. Yeah, about the poll, I actually displayed more options so that all views would be clear.
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    I personally agree. Dark mode is a very anticipated feature.
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    Before the release of iOS 11, the idea that iOS 11 could be replaced with a 10.4 was really a possibility. Apple surprised us with iOS 11 and the many things they’ve changed. I would love to see an update like 11.5 come to life, we can sacrifice a year of main updates just so that we could get some more stability. Every update sure comes with its own bugs that take lots of time to get fixed and this is really starting to piss people off. We need stability like how it was with iOS 6 or else just to keep iOS 11 better by sacrificing the time taken to develop a new iOS 12 and improving the existing software. I hope Apple takes this into consideration cuz I bet Steve Jobs would’nt have liked iOS 11 at all.
  13. IowaLynn macrumors 65816


    Feb 22, 2015
    Apple A7. The Apple A7 is a 64-bit system on a chip (SoC) designed by Apple Inc. It first appeared in the iPhone 5S, which was introduced on September 10, 2013. Apple states that it is up to twice as fast and has up to twice the graphics power compared to its predecessor, the Apple A6

    September 2013
    : Apple introduces the iPhone 5S. Its Apple A7 chip makes it the first 64-bit iDevice. iOS 7 is the first 64-bit version of iOS
  14. G201 thread starter macrumors newbie


    Jun 16, 2016
    You honestly have a good point. Apple needs to start building iOS like it should’ve been, from the ground up.
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    Yeah, haha
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    It’s because an iOS version reaches its final stage before the release of the new one. The final version of the older iOS would perform way better than the initial version of the newer iOS and probably the final version of the newer iOS in some cases. You’re words do really make sense tho.
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    I use Google Photos myself and its really stunning. The problem is that basic functions like the selection of a specific pic u wanna send can only work through Apple Photos which is really annoying. I don’t use a Mac myself but I’m sure merging them all in one app could be really helpful to its users. Siri needs lots and lots of changes, I hope that Apple could pay some attention to Siri and how competition is on the rise. Real innovation needed.
  15. Brandonjr36 macrumors 68000


    Sep 12, 2016
    Would like an option to turn it on and off for people that does want it.
  16. Dormammu macrumors 65816


    Sep 21, 2013
    A mysterious location in the middle of nowhere
    I’d like to see the Mail and Find my Friends apps overhauled.
  17. oldmacs macrumors 601


    Sep 14, 2010
    There is no ‘promised 5 years of support’. Once upon a time it was 3 years, then it was 4 years starting with the 3GS, then it was 5 years starting with the 4S.

    iPads are a whole other story. I can’t see why they shoulsn’t Support the 5S given how similar in performance it is to the 6 and given iOS 12 is meant to be focused on fixing the disaster that is iOS 11. iOS 11 dropped 32 bit devices, iOS 10 dropped A5/512mb devices, iOS 8 dropped the last of the single core devices. The A7 devices have the same ram as the lower end A8 devices and also are not significantly slower.
  18. ddrulez macrumors regular

    Dec 12, 2012
    Smarter Homekit would be nice. Right now Siri and Homekit are as smart as a brick.
  19. honglong1976 macrumors 65816


    Jul 12, 2008
    stability! and the ability to take photos 16:9
  20. GIZBUG macrumors 68000


    Oct 28, 2006
    Chicago, IL
    After witnessing 11.x mess, have low expectations for 12
  21. mcfly88, Mar 29, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2018

    mcfly88 macrumors 6502

    Nov 3, 2012
  22. duffman9000 macrumors 68000


    Sep 7, 2003
    Deep in the Depths of CA
    How about fixing auto layout issues once and for all. It’s the same **** going on for years with no fix in sight.
  23. HQNYC macrumors newbie

    Mar 26, 2018
  24. AsherN macrumors 6502

    May 11, 2016
    I prefer 3:2 for photos. Easier to print on standard 4X6 paper. Ultimate is to let us select our preferred aspect ratio. My older Fuji camera has it. Hard to believe it can't be implemented on a phone.
  25. DNichter macrumors 604


    Apr 27, 2015
    Philadelphia, PA
    I'd like a dark mode and HomeKit enhancements/fixes. That's it. Besides those, I am happy with iOS 11.

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