F Gun Control

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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    There's also these responsible gun owners that the NRA will surely release a statement defending:

    People shooting at houses- Houston

    Dam forum keeps trying to make it embedded media. Stop! I want to post a link.
     
  3. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    you mean it's not legal? :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah lets leave a loaded gun at a day care where a toddler could get to it! Good Idea!

    I don't know if any one here has kids but toddlers especially boys are basically a walking accident. You can let them out of your sight for 30 seconds and they will find the most dangerous, sharpest, rustiest "thing" and start screwing with it. Who ever runs this daycare either didn't know the gin was accessible or they're the dumbest people alive.

    lol GIN = gun
     
  5. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    The gun owners (adults) should be charge with murder, their kids should be removed from the house. They should spend the next 25-life behind bars. It's as simple as that. I support the 2A, but in ownership comes responsibility and if you can't secure your friggin weapons cache then you don't deserve to be afforded that right and you should be charged with all applicable crimes committed with your firearms.
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    Dear god the comments. :eek:
     
  6. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    Maybe they asked for it. Death is the only way to escape Trump’s tweets.
     
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    "Gun control" as commonly understood would not address this issue. As long as guns are legal, and people are idiots, this kind of incident will continue to happen.

    Really, it's been clear since Newtown that there's no political or social will to remove, or limit access to firearms.

    What may change this calculation is insurance, and liability. Insurance companies should charge more if a gun is in the home, and people should sue gun owners for everything they're worth for their negligence. And, people who run daycare from their homes should face a massive shift in their liability insurance if they own firearms.
     
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    Agreed about the insurance. However, civil suits against gun owners aren't usually worthwhile unless the people are worth a lot of money, which is rare. Usually, not worthwhile to sue someone that has an old chevy and an underwater mortgage. Suing gun manufacturers or retailers would be far more effective imo, but the NRA has ensured they are exempt from liability.
     
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    why should they be liable after the product leaves? if the product was defective you would have a point. businesses should have insurance, in this case they might have it.
     
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    Are there? What would those laws be?
     
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    If the product is defective, they're still exempt from liability.
     
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    There's lots of non-defective products that companies have been held liable for because they were used incorrectly. The obvious example being children's toys with small parts.

    Heck the stores where they are sold have more liability than the manufacturers.
     
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    http://smartgunlaws.org/child-access-prevention-in-california/
    here is when they DON'T apply
    plenty of states have the same law or variations of it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/17/detroit-boy-manslaughter-charge-accountable
     
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    I think citizenzen got you from what I can see there are no safe storage laws in MI that I can find. I think criminal negligence or child endangerment are about it.

     
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    Guns arnt "products" they are lethal,deadly weapons.

    Quit glossing over this kind of thing.
     
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    Sure, but the point is to force insurance companies to cover the liability, if people have that kind of insurance. And, people who run daycares, and the like, often have to carry that insurance. So, the point is to make gun ownership a liability that actuaries have to consider.

    Which means, gun ownership gets more expensive.

    I also think that states should require care facilities to inform people if a gun, or guns, are present.
     
  17. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    they are tools,. nothing more.
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    hence the reason I said there is variations of the law that people get charged with.
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    disagree, it's no ones business if I exercise my rights at my business
     
  18. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    California law doesn't apply to Michigan.

    And your second article says, " ... observers say real problem is Michigan’s lack of a Child Prevention Access law."

    So your first statement appears to be incorrect that, "there are laws in place against this."
     
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    Tools that make it more likely that people will die.

    That's a weird statement considering they are obviously weapons.
     
  20. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    you have to define what "this" is, did the child shoot someone? yes, so as pointed out in the article the gun owner can get charged with involuntary manslaughter due to the actions of the child.
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    I prefer to see them as toys.......
     
  21. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    You already defined it in your post: Child Prevention Access law.

    What penalty exists that compels are parent to safely store their guns? You yourself admitted that you didn't store your guns safely when your children were growing up.
     
  22. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    that is just your opinion, I stated my kids were TRAINED IN THE PROPER USE of my firearms, hence the reason they are properly "stored"
     
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    No, they are not. This is a myth propagated by the anti-gun lobby.
    PLCAA does not exempt or protect manufacturers from being sued for defective products.
     
  24. ItnStln Suspended

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    In some states that's illegal. Luckily I don't have that problem but when I'm not in my house my gun is locked up where it stays until I pull it out of the safe and attach my Streamlight TLR-2, just in case.
     

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