Facebook, Instagram and Twitter are parasites. Maybe they should disappear.

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Rogifan, May 22, 2019.

  1. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    For all social media’s supposed wizardry “connecting” us to content and to each other, we’re not a more literate or more social nation thanks to social media. We are not a happier or a kinder one. We are, in fact, more impoverished, lonely, and despairing.

    As for what social media adds to our economy, consider this: high salaries and stock options have encouraged a generation of our brightest engineers to enter a field of little productive value. This is, to put it mildly, an opportunity missed for the nation.

    What marvels might these bright minds have produced had they been oriented toward the common good? What new treatments or therapies or technologies to strengthen our people might they have discovered?

    Instead, they’ve given us an addiction economy.

    https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3751735002?__twitter_impression=true

    Great editorial from Missouri Senator Josh Hawley. He gets to the real problems with social media not the stupid stuff like supposed political bias or Russian trolls. I don’t think there’s anything the government can do. Hopefully more people decide to leave these platforms as they find out being off of them is better for their health.
     
  2. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    does he not know that the republicans are in power thanks to Facebook +13 Russian trolls +150k in ads? he better reconsider......
     
  3. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Twitter is a cesspool for trolling degenerates who's only interest is insulting others and acting like a child in their terrible 2's stage.....

    I don't use social media.. I view twitter and tweets every so often but I don't have Facebook and I don't have Instagram....

    It needs to be renamed - 'Social' 'Media' is not and those platforms are not even close to being so.....
     
  4. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    Yup, some people can't stand social media, and don't see a need for it.

    https://splinternews.com/trump-reportedly-spent-tons-of-money-on-facebook-ads-wi-1834920835

    According to data from Facebook on website and Instagram advertising, analyzed by Democratic communications firm Bully Pulpit Interactive, Trump’s re-election campaign has so far spent more on Facebook advertising than any Democratic candidate, mostly targeting women 55 and older. This makes sense when you consider that the Trump campaign’s spending on Facebook was seen as a key reason why he won the 2016 election.

    The real interesting nugget in the Times report, however, is the Trump campaign’s use of the president’s upcoming 73rd birthday in June. Over five weeks, the campaign spent about $450,000 on birthday ads specifically, more than half of all money it spent on Facebook ads at that time, the Times wrote. Of course, there’s a reason for all this: while reminding people that he has a birthday coming up, Trump is simultaneously shaking them down. From the Times:


    Similar ads by the campaign have asked for well-wishes for First Lady Melania Trump’s birthday, which was last month. And the White House is getting in on the info-harvesting act as well.

    The weirdest part? According to the Times, many of the ads say Trump will be turning 72, not 73.
     
  5. samcraig, May 22, 2019
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    I have a love/hate relationship with social media. What I will say is that while the platform themselves might have issues, if it weren't for the platforms and the data they have (blessing and a curse), it's questionable how e-Commerce would thrive. Sure there are the big brands - but what about all the smaller businesses who have been able to launch their products and gain traction due to their social following and organic (and paid) reach through social channels.
     
  6. RichardMZhlubb Contributor

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    I think that this is the second time in two days that you have tried to dismiss the Russian interference with the 2016 election as just a bunch of Facebook ads. You are aware that the Russians also stole and released thousands of confidential Democratic emails and campaign data, right?
     
  7. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    I agree with the Senator.
    Social media is 90% bad, for everyone.

    Famed writer Mark Haddon dumped twitter because of the detrimental effects on his productivity and peace of mind. He wrote an op-ed for the Financial Times:
    "Part of me would be constantly alert for, and quietly fashioning, tweetable material"
    "I was, in short, wasting time, energy and emotion. I was engaging with the people and things around me more narrowly, and I was thinking with less freedom."
    "my current pinned tweet (which, predictably, I spent way too much time writing and editing) explains that I am taking a long break because every tweet had begun to feel like a peep of steam through my whistle — Listen to me! Listen to me! — which reduced the boiler pressure I needed to write another novel. I was going to shut up and shovel coal. And so it has turned out. I can’t detach myself completely. I have to pop back every now and then to answer messages, do a bit of promotion for my new novel, The Porpoise, and reassure people that I’m not dead or insufferably rude."

    Full article https://www.ft.com/content/698b6a1e-6d98-11e9-80c7-60ee53e6681d
     
  8. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    I think the whole issue of lost "productivity" is overstated. We already have way too much "productivity" as it is. Not really sure why we need more. I mean, is the movie industry, for example, actually "productive" or is it just a glittery way to make a profit out of wasting our time, and in what way is that better than snapchat or, say, forums.macrumors?

    What is more worrisome is our heavy reliance on technology, computerization and the internets overall. Our society is in a perilous position right now.


    But, this is dreadfully ironic.
     
  9. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    social media is a tool, it will be what YOU make of it.
     
  10. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    The problem of productivity is not more/less. It's about quality, and the research is pretty clear that the quality of our productivity (which is correlated to "peace of mind", and solitude) is lowered. However, we work more hours.
    The goal is not to be more productive in terms of hours, but being productive in terms of quality and efficiency. In order to do so, we need a few strategies (be it GTD, Deep Work etc.) and most especially REST time of a certain quality. Social media (and email too) put a heavy workload on our attention span, and the attention residue is quite vast even after a single "quick check". The fact that in our free time we spend many hours in front of Facebook looking at how great other people's lives are almost destroys our brain's ability to reset and rest (between dopamine highs, and depressing lows the brain suffers). Since I have been doing deep work I have been 4x productive than before; I work less hours but my output is stellar and is recognized organization-wide (I even converted a few people :) ).More than that, one of the problems is that we live in a situation in which virtually we can avoid solitude 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. This is unprecedented. Virtually we can avoid being free from external (=other people's) inputs all day long. This has NEVER happened and it's definitely taking a toll. If you're old enough you probably remember going to the library/somewhere, and having to walk back home or being on public transportation, without music, without a screen, without any entertainment or external input at all. That time was usually either introspective, or it was analyzing what we just did ("hey, that book was really good!" "hey, that brioche was amazing!"). We lost all of that, hence productivity is going down, downtime quality is going down, and depression/stress is going up.
     
  11. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    what about the positive effects of social media?
    the memes?
    the cat videos
    is laughter not the best medicine?
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    *****Quit my job last week and now I’m going to work from my garage. My buddy who’s a carpenter built me this sweet lift now my oil changes are going to be a breeze , who needs to spend thousands of dollars for ? **** that I’ll save my hard earned money. Testing it tomorrow with a navigator*****
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  12. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    There are many positives with social medias, but right now the needle is pointing to the negatives; one of the reasons is that social media companies decided to do it on purpose.
    Tristan Harris (former mind hijacker for google) explains pretty decently how and why (http://www.tristanharris.com/essays/) and how gambling social techniques are used by social media.

    Watch this:
     
  13. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    watch Maher? you owe me a back massage and carne asada nachos for that :mad: , wait, is he on social media? BURN IT ALL DOWN :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

    :p
     
  14. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    I don't usually watch Maher, but he got a good point in that video. I am at the polar opposite of his politics, but heck he is irreverent enough to make me watch some clips :)
     
  15. Rogifan thread starter macrumors Core

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    Yep, I’m sure Facebook is huge for small business. But outside of that it’s garbage.
    --- Post Merged, May 22, 2019 ---
    Haha, yes. As bad as Twitter can be I still love it for the live aspect. I get real breaking news on Twitter before anywhere else. And if there’s some live event happening (sports, awards show, political debate etc.) I love checking out Twitter to see what other people are thinking. Like tonight ABC is running live recreations of All in the Family and The Jeffersons. I absolutely will be checking Twitter to see what the consensus is. :p
     
  16. Mousse macrumors 68000

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    Meh. I don't use any Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and so on. But I'm not gonna stop others from using it, except for my kids. I don't want them posting crap on the Internet that will ruin their future. I'm not your daddy; it's not my job to raise you.

    I'm not gonna be Aesop's dog in the manager.
     
  17. bambooshots macrumors 65816

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    Or, just maybe, people could, you know, CHOOSE to stop, you know, using them.

    I know, shocking, right?
     
  18. sean000 macrumors 68000

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    I've been using the internet for "social" purposes since the days of BBS servers, Usenet newsgroups, Prodigy discussion boards, etc. The internet was built for the purpose of sharing information and communication, so the kinds of social media we have today were kind of inevitable. America Online and Facebook brought it to the masses while services like Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube put their own twists on sharing content.

    The term "troll" (in the context of the internet) goes back at least as far as Usenet newsgroups in the 80's. As soon as it was possible for people to have online discussions they started talking politics, religion, and social issues. What has changed is that these discussions are less anonymous (depending on the platform), your family, friends, coworkers, etc. participate to varying degrees, multimedia is supported, and you can access social media from anywhere at any time.

    Rather than simply demonize the latest forms of information sharing, we should admit that all forms of communication can be abused. I remember when television was the great time waster and popular music was blamed for corrupting young minds. Talking on the telephone was a big time waster for teens, and three-way calls were used as early forms of social bullying (because the third party would join in secret). People used to subscribe to a dozen magazines and hardly read any of the articles (despite spending hours turning the pages). Newspapers had their yellow journalism problems in the distant past, and more recently television news developed its own style of fear-based short-attention-span theater.

    Despite the problems these tools have proven to be incredibly useful at times. Need to replace a car part? You can find a video that shows you how to do it! Want to know how to make the best marinara sauce? There are tons of instructions for that! Need a friend to help you out of an unexpected tight spot? Social media is there for you! Of course democratizing content creation has the downside of producing poor quality content form unreliable or less-than-talented sources. It also has the upside of producing excellent content that is so specific or unique that it wouldn't exist any other way. Real experts find their voice, and talented people produce and distribute their own art.

    One interesting impact social media has had is to connect conspiracy theorists over great distances. That can be a lot of fun when you're talking about finding bigfoot or aliens, but dangerous when you get a bunch of paranoid and dangerous people making plans together.

    Ultimately social media is as good or bad as the people who are using it. When it comes to fake news and conspiracy theories: Critical thinking skills are more important than they ever have been. It's also important, as it always has been, to teach people to moderate their own usage in order to avoid unhealthy habits. Rather than blaming Facebook, Twitter, or any other platform that will eventually be replaced by the next thing (which will also get abused) we need to teach children (and many adults) how to navigate this stuff better. Many school districts have some social media curriculum these days, but it's often extra-curricular and sometimes a little too fear-based in my opinion. We need to be teaching critical thinking skills, research skills, and healthy habits for managing time and distractions. There is also a big need to teach some basic information security awareness so young people are better at recognizing scams and trolls.
     
  19. ThisBougieLife macrumors 68000

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    On one hand, I think social media creates problems: for all the companies' platitudes about "connection", social media fosters a shallow connection, which is not substitute for real interpersonal connection; it is addictive and it is taking the place of outdoor activity, reading, and more healthy behaviors.

    At the same time, I think social media reveals problems: it shows how ****** humanity really is and that's an uncomfortable truth; it shows that when we are exposed to opinions different from ours, our minds don't become more open, they become more closed and hostile.
     
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    CrossFit has dropped Facebook due to...

    https://www.crossfit.com/battles/crossfit-suspends-facebook-instagram

    “CrossFit, Inc. defends relentlessly the right of its affiliates, trainers, and athletes to practice CrossFit, build voluntary CrossFit associations and businesses, and speak openly and freely about the ideas and principles that animate our views of exercise, nutrition, and health. This website—and, until recently, CrossFit’s Facebook and Instagram accounts—has long catalogued CrossFit’s tireless defense of its community against overreaching governments, malicious competitors, and corrupt academic organizations.”

    ...

    “Facebook and its properties host and oversee a significant share of the marketplace of public thought. To millions of individuals and communities across the world, Facebook and its properties remain the platforms where ideas and information are exchanged. Facebook thus serves as a de facto authority over the public square, arbitrating a worldwide exchange of information as well as overseeing the security of the individuals and communities who entrust their ideas, work, and private data to this platform. This mandates a certain responsibility and assurance of good faith, transparency, and due process.”

    ...

    “5. Facebook’s news feeds are censored and crafted to reflect the political leanings of Facebook’s utopian socialists while remaining vulnerable to misinformation campaigns designed to stir up violence and prejudice.”

    ...

    “For these reasons, CrossFit, Inc. has placed Facebook and its associated properties under review and will no longer support or use Facebook’s services until further notice.”
     
  21. linuxcooldude macrumors 68020

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    I'm not sure it was ever confirmed since the DNC never allowed the FBI to look at its servers. I see it more as informed guesses.
     
  22. Tech198 macrumors G5

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    Facebook etc... just lost control over something.

    If adverting were not their biggest concern, and actually kept personal info to themselves without leaking, to sharing it to anyway, then it would be very different, and we would instead praising them for their efforts today.

    You can do social networking effectively,, but if advertisers get in the way, then you may as well 'shut up shop' early.

    Kinda difficult to do this when it's 'free'.
     

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