Facebook isn't trying hard at diversity.

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  1. Cineplex macrumors 6502a

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    https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/16/facebook-isnt-trying-hard-enough-to-increase-its-diversity/

    Full disclosure: I hate Facebook.

    What I want to know is WHAT is wrong with all these world saving millennials? This seems like we are de-evolving. Forcing diversity for the sake of appearing to be totally 110% P.C. is just plain backwards.

    I've hired lots of people in my time in the tech industry and I can tell you 1 fact. 99.9% of all the Applicans are white males. You don't think an IT department of all guys would jump at the chance to hire a nerdy female or any female??? I hired a hispanic guy for the department once because he was......smart......hilarious .....great with people...Apple certified.....in other words qualified. While I theorized about his ethnic origin when I met him....I didn't care....like the rest of the world.

    There isnt a problem of racist hiring in the country, there is a problem of not enough diverse applicants in some sectors. Based on my life and many careers....I havent seen any deinclusion or sexism in hiring. I'm not saying it doesn't exist somewhere. It's definitely not the norm.

    The world is being taken over by millenials who don't live in the real world. They go to school and college having never worked a day in their lives, get a high paying job right out of college and live in fantasy land (and Mommy's house). If they actually worked someplace in the high school and college years, they may have seen some real people and real problems. If they had to earn money and live off it, instead of getting Daddy's credit card in school, they may understand why some people are unable to get an education. Its not directly about race, some people get jobs as soon as they can to help keep the family going and get stuck in the trap.

    You want more diversity? Create some way for people (low to zero income) to survive while going to school and not having a $200,000 school bill to get a $24,000 a year job. And don't make it impossible with all kinds of crazy enterance exams, requirements, and fees to apply. The business of college in this country is the problem...its designed only for the wealthy and credit worthy. Sure there are programs for lower income, but its not set up for success. Its just there to make everyone feel like its all equal and everyone can get an education....which is crap. I know plenty of people that don't have the luxury of leaving work to go to school. Not everyone can do night schools or learn online. Some people need to be focused and assisted and simply don't have time and energy to work 60 hours a week and go to school.

    While I am a bit conservative in nature....I think education should be free and open to everyone....not just for the white middle class.
     
  2. thermodynamic, Jul 17, 2016
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    Facebook is a private company and can do what it wants, regardless of the culture and laws of country it is housed and/or owned in.

    Nice segue from Facebook to something more completely societal.

    BTW: There were low income people in classes I took. I was incensed at how I had to pay $70k for my dual major while they got scholarship after grant that I (and a lot of others) couldn't begin to qualify for... we work hard, work smart, work to improve ourselves, how come we suffer while true lowlifes get off? Pathetic? Yes:

    Some of the low-incomers in class were also demanding everyone else do the work for them. Even with the instructor in the room and within total hearing range. The college just didn't give a crap, a warm body is a walking wallet and it didn't matter how out of date the equipment or materials taught were. Yet the college also taught ethics classes. The school should also be students in it.

    Like I said.


    And this is the worst part: students, loan holders, banks who hold the loan, et al, are all hurting as a result of colleges' apathy, fleecing people, et cetera. One would think Obama, Clinton, Trump, and anyone else would take college as seriously as Harkin - whatever happened to his study of the college system anyway?

    But Americans also get to train their foreign replacements, who cares if America goes down the gutter? America did it to itself and before anyone mentions the T word it's not 1950 anymore when taxes truly were sky high and corporate welfare was low.
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    BTW: Who taught the millennials? Boomers.

    Who got college that could be paid for over a summer's education, unlike today? Boomers.

    Who could get out of college and get a reasonable paying job out the door? Boomers.

    The real world was a hell of lot better for Americans 40 years ago.

    But if you want to play the game called "blame the generation", go right ahead - then it's way too easy to spike it because the Boomers were given better middle class lifestyle anyone else, but nowadays we don't train our young, we offshore the jobs after getting existing employees to train their foreign replacements to artificially inflate profit, which had yet to trickle down since that notion was sold to them in 1980 (with that president's veep even saying it was "voodoo economics"), and ignoring when quality and service plummet.

    Especially as boomers blaming the problem they made despite their own double standards. You do not make a situation for other people then blame them for living in it.
     
  3. DearthnVader macrumors regular

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    Good rant.

    Is that how you view disadvantaged people, as low lives?
     
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    Not at all.

    Low lives are people who demand other people do their work for them in class.

    Or as employees.

    I'm sorry I didn't clarify that in my initial response.

    On edit: Is there anything else you didn't understand, or want to try to spin? Don't get upset if I don't respond right away. I also have a life.
     
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    Ok, thanks for the clarification.
     
  6. Cineplex thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    It is true the boomers created the horrible millenials ( I am one so I can say that). But the next generation is even more dysfunctional.

    The college system needs to go. You should pay $70k while the guy next to you pays $4.00
     
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    And by the way, instead of quoting me out of context, try re-reading my whole passage. Or do you lack reading comprehension?
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    And even then, as cynical as I can be, it's not all the boomers' fault. X'ers and millennials too have fair responsibilities.

    As for costs, it should be the same price for everybody. Maybe comparable to what you got in 1978, since college is 1120% more expensive since then. So, maybe nobody should pay $70k and for the record you didn't ask what my dual major was, which sure as hell wasn't "basket weaving and napkin folding". And, really, don't tell me how much I should pay. Or I'll tell you what you should pay and you probably won't be happy, even though I'd treat you no differently the way you already treated me.
     
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    Hiring for diversity sake is a horrible practice, especially in computer science where rubber meets the road fairly quickly. You can't sit around pretending to code/solve problems, and your team is going to know who is dead weight pretty quick.

    To work at Facebook knowing how to "code" (which for some of these groups mentioned in the article seems to be a week or summer boot camp) often isn't good enough, I would say about 30% of my day is spent "coding", the rest is spent figuring out how to solve a problem. Another person complains about how Facebook requires them to know complex algorithms to be hired, oh the horror.
     
  9. DearthnVader macrumors regular

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    I.m going to get blasted( puts on flame thrower underwear ), but the problem is the education system, from day one, teaches you to be a slave. It is mandatory that you go to school, when you are at school you do schoolwork, then they send you home with homework. The key word here is work, when you are forced to do work, yet you do not get paid, we have a word for that. We call it slavery.

    It doesn't really matter to those who's parents are well off enough to afford to reward their children for good schoolwork, but for those that can't................

    People need to get paid to go to school, so they can see the value in it from an early age, not some hypothetical payoff 13-16 years later. I know I'm going to get blasted, but there's a reason we have a cycle of poverty, and a lack of engineers, etc, and it starts here.

    I know, I know, I know, there's no such thing as a free lunch, we should just let poor kids go hungry at school, there's no need to spend $100 per child, per grading period to reward good grades. That would be too much like investing in our future, and that's always bad.

    So let's keep on doing what we're doing, being penny wise and pound foolish.
     
  10. Huntn macrumors G5

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    1. Your not that conservative. Free education equals a form of socialism... to some. Socialism is bad.... Unless it helps my business/corporation. :rolleyes:
    2. Please clarify your thread title about Facebook not trying hard at diversity. What should they be doing that they are not? Or is this a facetious title?

    PS, my general felling sbout Facebook as with much of social media is that it can be ugly. I use it on occasion to keep track and interact with family members far away.
     
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    Dude, that was uncalled for, I wasn't sure what you meant by that part, so I asked, rather than blasting you first.
     
  12. Cineplex thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I like it!

    Slaves in a system is what we all are. But too much education and we might figure that out. Best to keep everyone dumb and playing Pokemon Go.
     
  13. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    My grandparents actually did this when I got my gradecard (money for good grades), I think it should be left to the family though.
     
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    Bank slaves, shhhhhh........
     
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    Not everyone is meant to go to college. Maybe instead of handing out grants and scholarships to low income students were should return to handing them out based on grades, test scores, and accomplishments.

    I get crazy knowing certain students are going to college and will have to spend the entire first year taking remedial courses and doing repair work.

    @DearthnVader - why do you have to reward someone for doing something that should be its own reward? Get a good education, get a good job. The first twelve years are practice. Just like taking piano lessons.
     
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    The title is the title of the article I linked. The article is about them not being diverse enough.

    I was not interested in the Facebook problem as much as the issue as a whole. I thought the whole concept of there being a problem was insanity.

    Sorry for the confusion.

    As for socialism.....we already have a "socialist" education system...so why not just extend it up one more tier. Why should someone get rich off making society better?
     
  17. DearthnVader macrumors regular

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    That's great. if like school lunch, your family has money.
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    The Government isn't forcing everyone to take piano lessons.
     
  18. Cineplex thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Not everyone is meant for college. But everyone has the right to try and better themselves.

    Just because someone needs help with "remedial" courses doens't mean they don't deserve to be there. Also not everyone can do well on test, even if the know the materials. Education is not as easy as presenting the information....people process it differently and need to learn in specific ways.

    Maybe the lower education tiers are failing the students, not the other way around.
     
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    True. So then you feel that all interns should also be paid? Cause that's what students are, whether they're forced to do it or not.

    If you'd like, I can pull out my soapbox and tell you how most parents feel about sending their children to mandatory and free school. It's free childcare for twelve years. Parents won't even come get their children when they're sick, and fight over suspensions, not because they believe their little darlings address innocent, but because they don't want them at home.
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    They don't deserve to be there until they've proven they can master the process of learning - which is what school is all about. They are there to learn how to learn.

    Do you pull new hires out routinely because they can't learn their job the way you present it, and need an alternate presentation? Of course not. We coddle today's children. Instead of "differential teaching"maybe we should be teaching "differential learning."
     
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    Of course the lower education tiers have failed them, that's why there's people asking other people for help( to do their work for them ), they don't know how to do it, because they never learned, and they were passed along anyway. They never had the $motivation$( or a good swift kick in the ass from their parents, but you can't do that anymore ) to learn.
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    Inters should be paid. We live in a Capitalist society, work=$$$.

    I realize there's bad parents out there, but some parents can't take off work to tend to a sick or suspended child.
     
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    So since the parents are getting free child care, they can be responsible for providing the positive reinforcement, whether monetary, or other.
     
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    I know all too well about school loans. Nearly $0.5million worth between undergrad and medical school. My medical school alone was $80K per year for the COA.

    I'll be paying on that forever.
     
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    ..and the children who don't get "positive reinforcement", we should just let the cycle of poverty continue with them, so they can live on Government Programs that cost more later. Instead of becoming nurses, doctors, engineers, police, firefighters, teachers............That we need, and PAY TAXES INSTEAD OF CONSUMING TAX DOLLARS.
     
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    Who exactly do you think is going to pay students? Taxpayers? It will just become another entitlement.
     
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    ...And who exactly do you think pays for the prison industrial complex, EBT, section-8, SSI, Medicare, Earned Income Credit, The Additional Child Tax Credit, welfare. These things that support the poor and uneducated?
     

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