Faux News tries to scare viewers with U.N. seating chart

yg17

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/22/784853/-Fox:-U.N.-seating-chart-reveals-Obama-terror-agenda

(yes, I know that's not exactly an unbiased site, but the video on the link speaks for itself)

So at the U.N. Security Council meeting on Thursday, President Obama will be seating a few feet away from Lybian leader Moammar Qadaffi and Faux News is trying its usual scare tactics with viewers. They're making a huge deal out of absolutely nothing. Not to mention the fact that all you heard from Faux News was crickets when McCain met with Qadaffi in Lybia shortly before the Lockerbie bomber was released.

Can someone remind me how they're able to call themselves "fair and balanced" without breaking any laws and regulations regarding false advertising?
 

leekohler

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I'm sorry- lawsuits need to be filed against Fox.

The need to be reclassified as a propaganda channel, not a news channel. I can't believe they get away with this BS. :mad: I read the article, I'll have to watch the vid later.

Tomorrow- this is why people think conservatives are nuts.
 

Zombie Acorn

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Did anyone watch the video? Its clipped footage of them saying "he is going to be sitting 5 chairs away from Qadaffi". There was tension surrounding the recent lockerbie celebration in Libya. President Obama even said that the move was a mistake. Its like sitting a few chairs down to the guy who ****ed your girlfriend.

Once again mountain out of a mole hill. I don't even see the correlation between the video presented and the article written. In fact I think it shows a very big disconnect from recent goings on in the world and the response from the US surrounding this issue.
 

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Did anyone watch the video? Its clipped footage of them saying "he is going to be sitting 5 chairs away from Qadaffi". There was tension surrounding the recent lockerbie celebration in Libya. President Obama even said that the move was a mistake. Its like sitting a few chairs down to the guy who ****ed your girlfriend.

Once again mountain out of a mole hill. I don't even see the correlation between the video presented and the article written. In fact I think it shows a very big disconnect from recent goings on in the world and the response from the US surrounding this issue.
Dont bother with your logic. Many people are to blind to see that this is taking one line clips and trying to make fox look bad.

While yes Fox is bad this little blog entry is even worse. It is yet another example of the problem with how the internet has ruined the news.
 

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Did anyone watch the video? Its clipped footage of them saying "he is going to be sitting 5 chairs away from Qadaffi". There was tension surrounding the recent lockerbie celebration in Libya. President Obama even said that the move was a mistake. Its like sitting a few chairs down to the guy who ****ed your girlfriend.

Once again mountain out of a mole hill. I don't even see the correlation between the video presented and the article written. In fact I think it shows a very big disconnect from recent goings on in the world and the response from the US surrounding this issue.
Why even bring it up? They're all going to be in the same room anyways. What does it matter if Obama sits next to him or across the room from him. And why no mention from Faux when McCain went to Lybia to meet with Qadaffi? This was right before the Lockerbie bomber came home but it was still in the news and it was all but certain that Scotland would release him.
 

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Did anyone watch the video? Its clipped footage of them saying "he is going to be sitting 5 chairs away from Qadaffi". There was tension surrounding the recent lockerbie celebration in Libya. President Obama even said that the move was a mistake. Its like sitting a few chairs down to the guy who ****ed your girlfriend.

Once again mountain out of a mole hill. I don't even see the correlation between the video presented and the article written. In fact I think it shows a very big disconnect from recent goings on in the world and the response from the US surrounding this issue.
OK- given this response, I went to a computer in the office that was a bit more private. Watched the video, and I have to say this should embarrass the hell out of Fox News. "Is the seating arrangement embarrassing for the White House?" WTF? What are they exactly trying to say here? I think it's quite clear.

A mountain out a molehill indeed- on the part of Faux News.

Dont bother with your logic. Many people are to blind to see that this is taking one line clips and trying to make fox look bad.

While yes Fox is bad this little blog entry is even worse. It is yet another example of the problem with how the internet has ruined the news.
No one has to try to make Fox look bad.
 

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oooh... so your saying that news organizations don't all sensationalize their presentations? I would put it more on the presenter than the company as a whole. I have some real whack job friends down here that work at CNN... and they like to see what they can get away with... sometimes calling me to give me a heads up. I expect the same at Fox.
 

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totally cool
Like OMG! When I first saw this seating chart I was all "AHHHHHHHHH!" and very scared. But THEN I turned on MSNBC and surfed over to dailyKOS and I felt soooo much betterer. :cool:
 

leekohler

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oooh... so your saying that news organizations don't all sensationalize their presentations? I would put it more on the presenter than the company as a whole. I have some real whack job friends down here that work at CNN... and they like to see what they can get away with... sometimes calling me to give me a heads up. I expect the same at Fox.
If it were one presenter, you'd have a point.

Like OMG!... saw this seating chart I was all "AHHHHHHHHH!" and very scared.
Apparently, so was everyone at Faux News.
 

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Why even bring it up? They're all going to be in the same room anyways. What does it matter if Obama sits next to him or across the room from him. And why no mention from Faux when McCain went to Lybia to meet with Qadaffi? This was right before the Lockerbie bomber came home but it was still in the news and it was all but certain that Scotland would release him.
Because they are covering the event and it might be a little awkward sitting next to someone who basically just took a **** on your doorstep a few weeks ago. I personally wouldn't want to sit anywhere near him.

On a side note does anyone know off hand if they let Qadaffi set up his "tent" in the area that was protested?
 

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Because they are covering the event and it might be a little awkward sitting next to someone who basically just took a **** on your doorstep a few weeks ago. I personally wouldn't want to sit anywhere near him.

On a side note does anyone know off hand if they let Qadaffi set up his "tent" in the area that was protested?
Excuse me but, didn't Scotland release the bomber? If anyone s*** on anybody, it's Scotland (not that they did, and it's their business). Libya just got their guy back. That's all. Good god, how do people make the most convoluted things out of this?
 

Zombie Acorn

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Excuse me but, didn't Scotland release the bomber? If anyone s*** on anybody, it's Scotland (not that they did, and it's their business). Libya just got their guy back. That's all. Good god, how do people make the most convoluted things out of this?
Perhaps you forgot about the celebration in Libya. Im sure the families of those killed understand though.
 

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Because they are covering the event and it might be a little awkward sitting next to someone who basically just took a **** on your doorstep a few weeks ago. I personally wouldn't want to sit anywhere near him.

On a side note does anyone know off hand if they let Qadaffi set up his "tent" in the area that was protested?
And my point still stands. Why didn't they freak out about McCain visiting Qadaffi as he had his pants down and was squatting over the doorstep preparing to squeeze one out?
 

Zombie Acorn

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And my point still stands. Why didn't they freak out about McCain visiting Qadaffi as he had his pants down and was squatting over the doorstep preparing to squeeze one out?
They probably weren't covering a story about a senator who failed to be elected president as closely as a G20 meeting with the president of the US. They have to have information to use as filler or it would be a pretty quiet news day on G20 coverage, this just happens to be part of it. Whats wrong with reporting who the president is going to be sitting next to anyways? They mention Gordon Brown sitting near him also, am I supposed to be scared of him now too? Is that a fear tactic? OHNOEZ ZE ENGLISH!
 

abijnk

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Looks like cherry picking quotes on the part of Daily Kos to me...

Although, I do have a new nutjob pundit to add to my list (as if it isn't already long enough). WTF is John Bolton trying to prove around the :40 mark? :rolleyes:
 

leekohler

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Perhaps you forgot about the celebration in Libya. Im sure the families of those killed understand though.
What were they supposed to do? Execute the guy on arrival? This in no way is s***ing on us at all. If the situation were reversed, what do you think we would be doing? And IIRC, there wasn't even enough evidence to keep the guy in the first place. Don't you think that a lot of people would be celebrating the release of someone wrongly accused? Christ- this isn't black and white here.
 

Zombie Acorn

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What were they supposed to do? Execute the guy on arrival? This in no way is s***ing on us at all. If the situation were reversed, what do you think we would be doing? And IIRC, there wasn't even enough evidence to keep the guy in the first place. Don't you think that a lot of people would be celebrating the release of someone wrongly accused? Christ- this isn't black and white here.
The only reason he was released was medical reasons.

If my family had been killed by a terrorist and his home country celebrated his re-arrival which should have never happened I don't think I would be able to describe the level of pissed off I would be for the country who was celebrating. Its a blatant show of disrespect towards the US people who were killed.
 

abijnk

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What were they supposed to do? Execute the guy on arrival? This in no way is s***ing on us at all. If the situation were reversed, what do you think we would be doing? And IIRC, there wasn't even enough evidence to keep the guy in the first place. Don't you think that a lot of people would be celebrating the release of someone wrongly accused? Christ- this isn't black and white here.
The Lybian government was specifically asked to be sensitive about his return and to not rub it in the faces of the victims (by Gordon Brown).
 

leekohler

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The Lybian government was specifically asked to be sensitive about his return and to not rub it in the faces of the victims (by Gordon Brown).
Again- this is not a black and white issue:

Al-Megrahi's conviction was largely based on the testimony of a shopkeeper who identified him as having bought a man's shirt in his store in Malta. Scraps of the garment were later found wrapped around a timing device discovered in the wreckage of the airliner. Critics of al-Megrahi's conviction question the reliability of the store owner's evidence.

A letter published Thursday showed that Libya had invoked human rights concerns in appealing to Scotland for al-Megrahi's release.

Abdulati Alobidi, Libya's Secretary of European Affairs, said under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights — a U.N. treaty — all those deprived of liberty must be "treated with humanity and respect for the inherent dignity of the human person."


Gadhafi engineered a rapprochement with his former critics following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. He renounced terrorism, dismantled Libya's secret nuclear program, accepted his government's responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing and paid compensation to the victims' families.

Western energy companies — including Britain's BP PLC — have moved into Libya in an effort to tap the country's vast oil and gas wealth.


Al-Megrahi was a well-known figure in the Scottish community near his prison, receiving regular treatment at the hospital and visited often by his wife and children, who lived in Scotland for several years.

Briton Jim Swire, whose daughter Flora died on Flight 103, welcomed the Libyan's release, saying many questions remained about what led to the bomb that exploded in the cargo hold.

"I think he should be able to go straight home to his family and spend his last days there," Swire told the BBC. "I don't believe for a moment this man was involved in the way he was found to be involved."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32487856/ns/world_news-terrorism/page/2/

The only reason he was released was medical reasons.

If my family had been killed by a terrorist and his home country celebrated his re-arrival which should have never happened I don't think I would be able to describe the level of pissed off I would be for the country who was celebrating. Its a blatant show of disrespect towards the US people who were killed.

Again, you refuse to put the shoe on the other foot. How do you think many people in Iraq feel when they see us celebrate our soldiers' return?
 

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The only reason he was released was medical reasons.
No, the pretext for his release was compassionate/medical reasons. The conviction was dodgy as hell, and vital evidence was withheld at both trial and appeal. The conviction was political, the release was engineered to avoid a further appeal.

If my family had been killed by a terrorist and his home country celebrated his re-arrival which should have never happened I don't think I would be able to describe the level of pissed off I would be for the country who was celebrating. Its a blatant show of disrespect towards the US people who were killed.
No it is not. The man was in all likelihood innocent. I would be pissed off at the US government for conniving in the convenient fiction of Libyan guilt instead of pursuing the Iranian/Syrian connection which made far more sense, except that the Syrians were being courted to be part of the "Coalition" against Iraq in GW1 and were let off the hook. The Iranians had every reason to want to bring down a US civil airliner, since the US had shot down Iran Air 655 a couple of months earlier.
 

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Again- this is not a black and white issue:



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32487856/ns/world_news-terrorism/page/2/




Again, you refuse to put the shoe on the other foot. How do you think many people in Iraq feel when they see us celebrate our soldiers' return?
I can't believe you just paralleled a deliberate terrorist action to our troops trying to instill democracy into Iraq and to liberate the people, even if you don't agree with the war it was still a far cry from terrorism on the part of the troops.