FBI terrorism unit says 'black identity extremists' pose a violent threat

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    Like we heard of the Ku Klux Klan as well.
    Extremism is raceless. In my view there is no need for such useless neologisms, like "black and/or white identity extremism".
     
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    The FBI thinks any political group that challenges the status quo poses a violent threat.

    Just another way government propagates it's own power.
     
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    There has been an uptick of police basically being assassinated, and there are videos of groups calling for cops deaths in public.
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    KKK is a white identity extremist group, and I'm sure the FBI has been investigating.them for many years, contrary to the OP.
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    You shouldnt have even started holding your breath you can probably do a Google search for FBI reports on white extremists.
     
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    From the OP’s source ...
    Seems like a NSS (No **** Sherlock) to me.

    In a time when we have gun advocates talking about armed revolt over losing their guns, is anybody surprised that blacks would retaliate over losing their lives?
     
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    Nope ... Groups like the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and etc ....... are either specific groups or those with specific ideology.

    What the hell is "Black Identity Extremists"? They using a very broad brush. The REAL translation is, if you're a black activist or protester, then you're are a terrorist.
     
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    Erm... Not to burst your bubble or anything but the FBI has recognised the threat from white supremacists for quite a long time (see, for example, this link).
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    It's laughable to think of a unitary federal government that acts in its own interests increase its power. Trying to get subdivisions with the government to coordinate on anything is like herding cats in a field of mice using dogs while riding horseback. I worry about how the government is intruding unnecessarily and unproductively into private lives, but there is no grand conspiracy. Just little fiefdoms...
     
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    No, that isn't the translation, black identity extremists would be black groups who gather around the idea of being black and commit extreme acts in relation to that belief, usually being led by a black vs white rhetoric. Similar to how the KKK and neo Nazis rally around the idea that x is destroying white culture.

    This wouldn't include black protestors protesting for birth control rights for instance.

    If the KKK were assassinating black police officers youd want that investigated I assume? Fringe groups have called for the death of police officers in public, and it appears there's been an uptick in assassinations. That needs to be investigated for connections.
     
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    There is no black extremist/supremacist groups or ideology. Any black group that tries to be, are so minuscule that the majority of blacks don't even know they exist. And it's obvious the FBI are not speaking about the minuscule basement groups that have never seen a glimpse of attention.


    Give me an example of black identity extremists. Is protesting against systematic racism, being an activist against racism, police abuse, and etc, worthy of being called a black extremist?

    The KKK, Neo Nazis, and White supremacy groups and ideology are based on hate for other races, religions, sexual preferences, and to advocate segregation. There is no black group or black ideology that is doing the same.


    I think it would. American govt can't bear the thought of large protests/activism from blacks.


    You just proved my point. You are using color to associate crimes committed by blacks with black activist groups. Whites kill more cops in America than any other race. shall I associate their crimes with every white group?

    And I'm pretty sure you are speaking about one of the protests that protesters were chanting to kill police. But of course you didn't factor in that many whites and other races were within that crowd as well. Many were not apart of any activist group, as well as the chants were towards police. Not white police, not black police, not asian police, but police in general.
     
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    They didn't say they were investigating black on white policemen crime specifically, they said black identity extremist groups committing and promoting extreme/violent acts. When those groups call for the killing of cops in public (imagine what they say in private) and then cops just wind up with a bullet in the back of their head there should be an investigation. Full stop.

    If groups aren't promoting/committing violence against police they shouldn't have cause for concern.
     
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    Except that's not what the report is stating ...... https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4067711-BIE-Redacted.html

    “The FBI assesses it is very likely Black Identity Extremist (BIE) perceptions of police brutality against African Americans spurred an increase in premeditated, retaliatory lethal violence against law enforcement and will very likely serve as justification for such violence”


    So basically the report suggests that Black activists and protesters are extremist for having a perception that there is police brutality against African Americans.

    So the several incidents of police killings by blacks. The FBI is saying that black activists that make noise about police brutality against African Americans, is the cause for retaliation against police.

    The FBI is basically telling black activists/protesters to shut up about brutality against them. o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O



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    You can make noise without calling for the death of cops. If these groups are attempting to get people to kill cops or members of their groups are executing actions that harm policemen then they need to investigate those groups.

    Some of the key examples that these groups pull from ie hands up don't shoot, are fictional accounts of the actual events used to stir up emotions against their target. Hands up don't shoot never actually happened. Making up an event to make it seem like a black guy was executed by cops is definitely enough to motivate someone into violent action.
     
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    No black group has officially stated to kill cops. It was a public protest in the streets. Unless you have the specific people that started the chant, participated in the chant, and their official affiliations, everything is nothing but assumptions.

    Also, those were a small minority of protesters chanting such. Which was also not exclusive to blacks only. Many hispanics, whites, and other races took part.

    The phrase "Black Identity Extremists" is laughable. Especially according to the FBI's reasoning behind the report.




    That's highly arguable. Many believe the opposite. But to speak about it, or protest, should not be considered being extreme.
     
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    Hardly. Why not just read the FBI’s definition?
     
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    But some are very nice people.
     
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    Yeah well, if you happily ignore the Black Panther Party, New Black Panther Party, African American Defence League (with its leader having a quote that may peak your interest: "We have no alternative! We must kill white police officers across the country!...WE ARE CALLING ON THE GANGS ACROSS THE NATION! ATTACK EVERYTHING IN BLUE EXCEPT THE MAIL MAN, UNLESS HE IS CARRYING MORE THAN MAIL!"), all subculture groups, private groups, underground groups etc etc that FBI have their eye on (that you obviously haven't), then yes, no black extremist group have ever advocated for the killing of cops (especially white cops), you have to ignore a whole lot of events to come to the ignorant conclusion that "no black group has officially stated to kill cops"

    You really really seem to have a hard time grasping the difference between extremist groups and regular protestors.

    If FBI have found black groups that wants to target white cops or cops in general, why do you refuse to believe that this is a reality? That these extremists are a tiny minority is irrelevant, they obviously are still a threat and their action and targets is reasonably defined as "Black Identity Extremists", nothing odd with that, when will you believe they exist? When they knock on your door and they tell their intentions eye to eye with you?
     
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    Being black isn't a prerequisite for being part of a black identity extremist group, if you are calling for the death of police in public then your group should be investigated.

    Its actually not, it never happened.
     
  21. LIVEFRMNYC thread starter macrumors 604

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    I was speaking in context to the conversation about the protest chants.

    But either way, as I mentioned in post #13, this is a "Shut Up" agenda. Lesser known groups are not the focus of this FBI report. It's very obvious it's towards BLM and blacks in general protesting against police brutality.
     
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    Let us know when BLM gets in trouble with the FBI for protesting police brutality nonviolently. The fact that you can't even perceive a chance that some fringe identity groups would be attempting to promote violence against police is a bit telling.
     
  23. LIVEFRMNYC thread starter macrumors 604

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    And BLM had violent protests when? They promoted violence when?

    By your logic, the same can be said about White Nationalist protests, WTO protests, and etc. Let's put Pro-Lifers on the terror list too. ;)
     
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    Quick correction, some are referring to the White Nationalists as White activists. o_O
     
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    All extremists pose a violent threat. The color of their skin doesn't matter, it's the extremist part that matters.
     

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