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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by mactastic, Dec 7, 2007.
I'm sure our resident big-government conservatives will be thrilled about this...
i don't think we shoud put any additional burdens upon our firefighters. If they are busy looking for terrorists, are they still functioning at the same level? Let them put out the fires.
I would guess in the past if a firefighter saw something suspicious, they would probably call someone. Isn't there already a terrorist/criminal hotline they could call?
I suspect many conservatives won't be upset about this until they think Hillary is using this program to secretly keep track of all their guns.
More movement towards a police state.
couldn't agree more.
This is great - now if there really is a terrorist cell (or a bank robbery gang, etc) in a building that has a FD rescue required, the criminals now know they have to shoot to kill the firemen as well.
Just what I was thinking.
Actually, the most insidious part of this is not during a fire. During a fire, the firemen are pretty busy, and incriminating evidence tends to be... well, on fire.
The creepy part is that they apparently intend to use the FD for surveillance during fire inspections. So they can schedule a fire inspection of any place they feel like, and the FD has the legal authority to enter without any warrant.
Firefighters have one of the most demanding jobs the way it is. Their job requires them to respond to emergency situations and to help save lives. Adding this investigative side of the deal is a bad idea. A firefighter has to stop on the first floor of a house because they believe they have found a NY transit map. That takes way from them going up to the second floor to check if any people are still inside the house.
People typically do not trust the police, but everyone trusts firefighters because they are there to help. People will be more reluctant to seek the aid of a firefighter if they believe the firefighter will be preforming intelligence gathering.
The Dept. of Homeland Security is stupid.
I had only been considering this from a emergency situation. However, fire inspections offer a much greater method of surveillance. I can see several issues with this, which were not as apparent when I was wearing my little brain.
The fire inspectors would have to begin packing guns. After on gets killed, they will come in as a group, packing Uzis. And now, they would be technically under the DHS, so you are in the federal system.
This has disaster written all over it.
There is, but like EMTs, they're there to help and nothing else. In the other cases already mentioned, it's just going to make people more suspicious where they shouldn't be. Making things more dangerous for everyone and making people more paranoid, not that they have no reason to be.
Waiting for someone to come in here and tell us why this is a good idea and why we shouldn't be more paranoid, but I'm not holding my breath.