Fear not, Steve, your secrets really aren't worth stealing ...

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  1. MacBytes macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003
  2. Lau Guest

    I've got to kind of agree with the article. I think the whole attitude of the way they presented WWDC as so anti-Microsoft left it open to this kind of criticism, justified or not. In that the features they showed weren't terribly exciting and had been around as various apps and in OSs for a while, I think it was a gamble that didn't really pay off and left them looking a bit sheepish.
  3. Fotograffiti macrumors member

    Aug 13, 2006
    What a bunch of Microsoft loving crap. I get that it takes awhile to add something to an operating system. That could be said without the rest of the article talking up Microsoft and insulting Leopard at every turn. This makes it sounds like everything is peachy with Vista and OS X Leopard is just a mess.
  4. swingerofbirch macrumors 68030

    Oct 24, 2003
    The Amalgamated States of Central North America
    I don't think Mac OS X lacks for speed. It's much better IMO at multi-tasking than Windows.

    And from what I have heard Leopard is even faster even though it hasn't been fully optimized.

    He says he doesn't use any of the mac os x features, like spotlight etc, so why does he use Macs at all?

    I have used google desktop search, windows desktop search, and the regular windows search and none are as fast or comprehensive as spotlight.
  5. A is jump macrumors regular

    A is jump

    Dec 14, 2005
    San Francisco, Ca
    I dont know, I think that article seems to ignore that alot of the features in Vista, HAVE been available in OSX for many years. Not just the ones Steve showed durring his keynote. Also, I dont think Steve was especially smug.

    as far as the features he shows... I for one use them all the time. Expose, dashboard, spotlight, at least every day if not every other day. Spaces has me really excited too.

    all in all, speed is important yes, but I isnt that what spotlight and expose are all about? keeping your work flow going, without interuptions. when I get on a mac that has expose disabled... i get so frustrated with switching apps, even with ctrl+tab its a pain in comparison.

    I'll admit that what steve demonstrated at WWDC didnt blow me away, but I'm putting my bets on some of the secret features being extreamly awesome. (of course the author of this article will probably only find them lukewarm)
  6. thedude110 macrumors 68020


    Jun 13, 2005

    I also think that some of "option one" from the article is true -- if there are advanced features ("secrets," if you will) in X.5, I don't think they were ready for play at WWDC.

    Call me cynical ... I think Steve was trying to come through on a promise (from the prior year's WWDC) when he may have been better off saying "Wait 'till Paris."
  7. blasto333 macrumors regular

    Jan 3, 2004
    I can't belive the person who wrote the article doesn't use expose, spotlight, safari, or widgets. I use those things on a daily basis. Sometimes when I work on a windows machine I find myself hitting f9 but nothing happens. Expose is awesome!
  8. Voidness macrumors 6502a


    Aug 2, 2005
    Interesting. Do you use the Dock?

    I can assure you it's not one of the secret features, because it's a default feature. Apparently, you haven't noticed in five years of using Mac OS X that every version brings MAJOR speed improvements to the OS.
  9. Analog Kid macrumors 601

    Analog Kid

    Mar 4, 2003
    What claptrap...

    Nobody really thought that with all the trouble MS is having with Vista that they're going to make major changes now. And since the next OS will be 5 years after that they're not worried about MS implementing anything soon. Maybe an application developer like Google could throw together an add-on in 6 months, but that would be it...

    The reasons are 1 and 3-- stuff ain't finished (we're still 9 or 10 months from GM) and they want something to talk about next time.

    And why would anyone think the Leopard Developer Preview is a) Beta (it's a preview, not a release milestone) or b) represents what the final Leopard will look like?

    Oh well, they're getting us to hit the site I guess...
  10. dmw007 macrumors G4


    May 26, 2005
    Working for MI-6
    I know, same here- I can not stand to use a computer that does not have Expose. :)
  11. timswim78 macrumors 6502a


    Feb 8, 2006
    Baltimore, MD
    Use the google desktop extreme plug-in, and I bet that you'll never want to use spotlight again.
  12. macnulty macrumors 6502

    May 18, 2003
    Rehoboth Beach, De
    The author was pretty whinny, the article basically empty. So he doesn't like any OSX features, who gives a ff. Jobs has room to be smug, Gates (MS) can buy just about anything he wants except one thing. Classic story.
  13. redAPPLE macrumors 68030


    May 7, 2002
    2 Much Infinite Loops
    what is that? dignity? :D
  14. nagromme macrumors G5


    May 2, 2002
    Some people talk as though this "Microsoft-bashing" at WWDC were some kind of ad campaign aimed at Windows users.

    It was not. It was, first and foremost, cheerleading for developers. And cheerleading with more than a grain of truth in it, like it or not.
  15. rams macrumors member

    Oct 25, 2004
    what did you say? you've learnt? for me, it sounds, like you are one of those who are in the habit of NOT learning and PREVENT all new stuff, because it's evil.
    go back console hacking. :D
  16. SpaceMagic macrumors 68000


    Oct 26, 2003
    Cardiff, Wales
    I have to agree with Lau and others. The Keynote was really childish in my opinion and it was a huge smokescreen to cover up the fact they hadn't really done anything and are lagging behind with Leopard. The whole 'Top Secret' thing is rubbish as Microsoft are cutting features from Vista not adding!

    As it stands, I'm not paying £90 for a backup utility with fancy graphics. I use QuickSilver and VirtueDesktops and apple have just stolen the layout from BlackTree.
  17. wnurse macrumors regular

    Jan 6, 2004
    I have expose and never use it myself. I guess you would have to train yourself to use it. In fact, no one that lives in my house uses expose. I think what he was saying is that's it a fluff feature and i think he's right.. you can do live without it and not even notice it's there. That being said, i think i will use expose some more to see if i can train myself to like it.
  18. MacBoobsPro macrumors 603


    Jan 10, 2006
    I think Expose is mostly used by people with a moderate to large workflow. For example when I work (as a designer) I have Quark, Freehand, Photoshop and Acrobat open and when moving files around the screen gets very cluttered. Just hitting a button to get to the window you want in an instant saves loads of time throughout a days work.

    Spaces will be a even greater step forward and I cant wait. Its the small things that make a difference.
  19. nagromme macrumors G5


    May 2, 2002
    To each his own... I was late to start using email, myself! (Seriously :eek: ) Not every feature will mean the same to every user with unnique needs and tastes.

    But Exposé is not fluff for me--it's vital, saving time, preventing mistakes, and helping me think about what I'm DOING instead of about fighting my computer. (Which is basically what the Mac is about after all.)

    It's most vital when I'm using a bunch of windows at once, going back and forth. But I also use it simply to go between 2 or 3 windows. It's just a really simple way to get around at all times.

    Forget the key: put Show All Windows on a mouse button--or do what I do an assign a hot corner (lower-left seems least obtrusive). When you find yourself hiding and showing apps, clicking arounf the dock, or worse yet, losing a window behind another one, try hitting Exposé Show All and before long you won't know how you got along without it.

    Unless you pretty much use on app/window at a time, which I know some people do.

    Exposé's best trick--and this works best with a hot corner, not a button: you can drag something FROM a window, go into Exposé, hover over the destination until it enlarged, and drop INTO the other window. Drag-and-drop with Exposé used in the MIDDLE of the drag! A huge time saver--especially when you're dragging from one big window to another and can't see both.

    I use this all the time with file dialogs too: I hit Open or Save, and then I drag the desired destination folder from the Finder into the file dialog. That sets the dialog to that location in zero clicks :) (Exposé show Desktop can be handy for this too.)
  20. Sharewaredemon macrumors 68000


    May 31, 2004
    Cape Breton Island
    nagromme You can hit space when you are dragging and dropping in exposé to speed up the process.

    Hitting space when you are dragging and dropping in OS X initiates the "springload" instead of waiting the system designated time (2 seconds usually).
  21. ghall macrumors 68040


    Jun 27, 2006
    Rhode Island
    I used to never use Expose, but now I can't live without it.

    This may come off as extreme fanboyism, but I think theres a lot more to Leopard that meets the eye. Sure, I don't really think that they're will be any more MAJOR new features, but maybe a few smaller features and changes.

    Also, I don't know about any of you, but I'm gonna LOVE Spaces. I've used VirtueDesktop but it's not quite as cool.
  22. nagromme macrumors G5


    May 2, 2002
    Yeah, that's what I do--good tip.

    (Pet peeve, hopefully fixed in Leopard: the Dock is left uncovered by Exposé... but doesn't actuall WORK in Exposé. Would be great if it did, since it's there. Otherwise hide it!)
  23. Sharewaredemon macrumors 68000


    May 31, 2004
    Cape Breton Island
    Oh so true! That really bugs me!
  24. Mainyehc macrumors 6502a


    Mar 14, 2004
    Lisbon, Portugal
    Strange as it seems, my Dock is automatically hidden when I trigger Exposé-all and Exposé-apps, and it's not hidden and works fine when I trigger Exposé-show desktop... Then again, my Dock is set to auto-hide, so maybe that's what makes it behave this way.
  25. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    Indeed. Poking fun is one thing but they went beyond that and then, showed nearly nothing.

    I think it's true that so many secret items are too buggy at this point that they couldn't show them. That's why it looked like Tiger with add-ons. I'm betting that the finished product looks very little like what was demonstrated.

    I think someone is confused. Most authors of articles I've seen are complaining about how utterly buggy the latest release is. It's feature complete but it's going to take a lot to get it to production quality--even Microsoft's.

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