Fired Benham Twins Whine To Glenn Beck About The Gay ‘Agenda’, Michael Sam and HGTV

iBlazed

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I guess there really isn't much for me to say, other than the fact it's a good thing these zealots were dumped when they were. The things they say are repulsive, and what is up with the CONSTANT nazi references? Pretty ironic considering they themselves are the perfect image of nazis: Tall blonde haired blue eyed Christian men who dislike those who aren't like them. But never mind that little dash of irony. I think my favorite part of the whole thing is where they imply that Michael Sam will "change his lifestyle". LOL.
Yeah, HGTV definitely dodged a bullet when they dumped the Benham brothers before they went on the air and opened their mouths:

In an interview on Monday, The Blaze’s Glenn Beck told Jason and David Benham that the same “agenda” that had forced them out for comparing same-sex marriage to Nazism was now celebrating gay football player Michael Sam.

Jason Benham pointed out, however, that the LGBT community would destroy Sam as soon as he “changes his lifestyle.”

David Benham argued that they had been attacked by the same “spirit” that had been “punching nations since the beginning of time.”

Beck agreed, and connected that spirit back to Nazism in “eastern Europe and Germany.”
Yup, these are definitely the kind of people I’d want to represent my completely apolitical home and garden network. What better way to appeal to a broad swath of the public than by hiring two religious fanatics that openly talk about it?

Conservatives have been moaning about these two brothers having their free speech attacked but, as cannot be stated often enough, the First Amendment only protects you from the government, not from everyone else. You are perfectly free to say whatever you want but you are not free from the consequences of what you say. You can be a bigot alllllll you want but if you can’t keep your bigotry to yourself, don’t complain you’re being oppressed when your repugnant views are shouted down.

Not for nothing, the religious right got a free pass for decades. They were allowed to demonize homosexuals in much the same way they used to demonize blacks. Both were lesser people that did not deserve rights, particularly the right to marry whomever they wanted. The language used half a century ago to oppose mixed race marriage is identical to that opposing marriage equality. This just goes to show that the hate is always there, it just looks for a new target.

Now that conservative “Christians” can’t condemn “The Gay” without being condemned themselves, they feel like they’re the victims? Spare me the phony persecution complex. I guess it’s time to start looking for the next group to marginalize and persecute in the name of Republican Jesus™. After all, without hate, the religious right might actually start reading the words of the actual Jesus and we simply can’t have that!
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rdowns

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Watching Christian privilege slowly dissipate has been glorious.
 

APlotdevice

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Is Benham a variation of Bentham? If so, I'd find it ironic that these two could be distantly related to one of the most open minded philosophers.
 

rdowns

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Great. Another post for religious hate in the name of ...."insert liberal cause here"

How is that hate? Christians have had the deck stacked in their favor for ages. I'm sorry you can't handle the loss of it.
 

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Great. Another post for religious hate in the name of ...."insert liberal cause here"
And then there's the usual whining from "religious" people who cannot stand that their constant bashing and "demonizing" (666) of other people that don't blindly accept or live by their "values" isn't just being swallowed anymore.
 

ugahairydawgs

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The commentary at the end of the OP struck me as a bit humorous. Bemoaning the hatred of one group over another....by using hateful tones of their own.
 

thekev

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The commentary at the end of the OP struck me as a bit humorous. Bemoaning the hatred of one group over another....by using hateful tones of their own.
He made fun of people for their use of Nazi references. I would too. They're pandering to idiots.
 

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Look, this was a business decision by HGTV, nothing more and nothing less. I don't think the decision to drop the show had anything to do with HGTV's view of the brothers' religious affiliations or their opinion on same sex marriage or abortion.

What I think transpired was that the brass at HGTV saw what happened to Firefox in the wake of the Brendan Eich flap and said we don't want this kind of controversy hanging over our network. Let's just stop here and now and not even go down that road. Sorry guys, we're cutting you loose, no hard feelings. We just don't need the headache.
 

thekev

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So hate is ok as long as its directed towards someone you disagree with.

Got it.
You took the wrong thing away from my statement. I don't think the OP would have gone for a Nazi reference if he wasn't making fun of their use in the first place. Also don't assume I was using "idiots" as code for Christians or any other religion, because that wasn't the case. Nazi references use negative emotions, because many people don't have a full education of that part of history. The people making them rely on negative emotions rather than reasoning.

If you're wondering why I hate people like that (again highly specific, I don't hate Christians or Conservatives), it's because the ones trying to rile people up are typically disingenuous. They know how to incite negative emotion and use that against others.
 

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Great. Another post for religious hate in the name of ...."insert liberal cause here"
I'm sorry, what "liberal cause" are you referring to? If it's gay marriage you're referring to, there's nothing "liberal" about that cause. Unless you consider human rights to be a liberal cause, in which case that says a lot about your side...
 

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Nope, it's ok as long as it's hate toward hate of something else. Same goes for intolerance.

It's OK to hate hate. It's OK to be intolerant of intolerance.
So it is okay to hate a group who hates you? (BTW...I think "hate" is a strong word here but will use it to so I can get clarification on your point of view)

So you are saying if religion hates or is intolerant of homosexuality then it is okay for homosexuals to hate or be intolerant of religion? Could you not just turn that right back around and say... if homosexuals hate or is intolerant of religion it is okay for religion to hate or be intolerant of homosexuals?

I have heard this argument before, and wanted to make sure I understand this correctly.
 

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So it is okay to hate a group who hates you? (BTW...I think "hate" is a strong word here but will use it to so I can get clarification on your point of view)

So you are saying if religion hates or is intolerant of homosexuality then it is okay for homosexuals to hate or be intolerant of religion? Could you not just turn that right back around and say... if homosexuals hate or is intolerant of religion it is okay for religion to hate or be intolerant of homosexuals?

I have heard this argument before, and wanted to make sure I understand this correctly.
No. What you are saying is homophobic and intolerant and clearly bigoted just because it makes sense.

What do you have against love and tolerance?!!!

Yeah...that...
 

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Great. Another post for religious hate in the name of ...."insert liberal cause here"
No, it isn't hating religion. It's hating the use of religion to do and say terrible things and assuming you'll get away with it BECAUSE RELIGION.

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So it is okay to hate a group who hates you? (BTW...I think "hate" is a strong word here but will use it to so I can get clarification on your point of view)

So you are saying if religion hates or is intolerant of homosexuality then it is okay for homosexuals to hate or be intolerant of religion? Could you not just turn that right back around and say... if homosexuals hate or is intolerant of religion it is okay for religion to hate or be intolerant of homosexuals?

I have heard this argument before, and wanted to make sure I understand this correctly.
No. What you are saying is homophobic and intolerant and clearly bigoted just because it makes sense.

What do you have against love and tolerance?!!!

Yeah...that...
Guys, you don't have to tolerate intolerance. You should never have to.
 

Technarchy

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Guys, you don't have to tolerate intolerance. You should never have to.

You're right, no one should:


Anti christian speech will turn into action if fed. Hate crime and hate speech is all the same to me. Don't care who is doing it.
 

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So it is okay to hate a group who hates you? (BTW...I think "hate" is a strong word here but will use it to so I can get clarification on your point of view)
Yes, if you hate them because they hate who you are.

So you are saying if religion hates or is intolerant of homosexuality then it is okay for homosexuals to hate or be intolerant of religion? Could you not just turn that right back around and say... if homosexuals hate or is intolerant of religion it is okay for religion to hate or be intolerant of homosexuals?
No. Christians "hate" homosexuals because of who homosexuals are. Decent people (including homosexuals) are "allowed" to "hate" the Christians that hate them NOT because they are Christians or religious, but because they hate homosexuals.

Group A hates group B because group B exists. Group B hates group A because group A hates group B. Not equivalent/reversible.
 

Michael Goff

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You're right, no one should:

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Anti christian speech will turn into action if fed. Hate crime and hate speech is all the same to me. Don't care who is doing it.
Then do something about the action, but don't try to make it a "you have to tolerate me being intolerant to you", like the average person who is against gay marriage does.

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Please, for the love of god. Stop hating on Christians. It's annoying. We get it....
He isn't hating on Christians, just the idea that Christians can get away with things on virtue of being Christian.