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  1. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    let the lawsuits start. this is not the first time lately this has happened to Americans. Phone searches and such too.
    http://www.local10.com/travel/feds-...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

     
  2. Rhonindk macrumors 68020

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    And?
    I've been stopped, questioned, asked to verify data, where I was coming from, why I was returning, laptop checked, etc, when coming back into the USA from overseas. I'm white, upper middle aged, businessman.
    Had that happen entering other countries like Hong Kong, Canada, Egypt.
    Doesn't happen often however it does happen.

    So is this because of Trump? Doubt it. Let's see what facts flush out.
     
  3. uknowimright macrumors 6502a

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    so you've been held for questioning for about 2 hours?
     
  4. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

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    were you asked if you were muslim??
     
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    Were you asked "about your Arabic sounding name" and whether you are Muslim?
     
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    did you have to unlock your phone so it could be searched? I love how a white guy thinks what happened to him was the same.
     
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    Yep. Most has been about 30 minutes.
    Except Canada. Flew into Montreal and that turned into about a 4 hour mess.
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    How did I describe myself? White upper middle aged businessman ..
    As a Blonde Hair Blue Eyed German ... yeah .... :rolleyes:
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    I did have to unlock my company supplied laptop.
    At the time I had a Blackberry phone and they didn't show any interest .....
    Like I said, this DHS type of behavior is not new.
     
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    you had to show them it worked. but did you have to unlock it so they could take it and search its contents way from you?
     
  9. Rhonindk macrumors 68020

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    Unlocked and they took all my carryon possessions with them. They were returned within a short time.
    Most times it was mainly an interview....even if a bit long...
     
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    dang, what they ask you for 4 hours?
     
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    Then you too have experienced incompetence. It's not randomly sampled, because people do the sampling. Given a poorly randomized sample, they would need to choose many more people to have a reasonable chance of catching anyone. I suspect that department merely lacks competence in their airport screenings. They are present as a show of force (and a waste of money) rather than a means of accomplishing anything.
     
  12. Rhonindk macrumors 68020

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    I made the mistake of saying I was in the country for business meetings and it turned into a "we need local contacts, who you are meeting, what is the topic, what is your position, who can we verify this with.." type of interview.
    Since then I just say "vacation".
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    You work for DHS/Customs?
    I suspect you may be partially correct however not knowing the procedures they use I can't really say.
     
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    No, but 4 hours just to be sure means that they invested significant time addressing you. Given a limited number of agents and poor sampling, the probability that they catch anyone is quite low. I suspect they would do better with a pseudo random number generator and 5 minutes each than they would with that kind of nonsense.

    It's possible to do much worse than random guessing if you're very biased, and like I said, they have a limited number of agents. 4 hours each burns through that at a rate at which they have little chance of finding anyone they would actually want to catch.
     
  14. Rhonindk macrumors 68020

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    Realize that 4 hours was the Canadian Immigration (or whatever they are called), not DHS.
     
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    Lmmfao. Never. Change
     
  16. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

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    has anyone asked if you are a muslim??? this is America we should not be asking Americans if they are muslim.
     
  17. thekev macrumors 604

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    I figured it could have been either. Those departments would prefer a probability of 0 that they incorrectly release someone. Because of that, they waste a lot of time if they commit to taking someone into custody. You're also referring to the country that gave us Bryan Adams, so I'm probably biased against them.
     
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    DHS is going to ask what they deem relevant. What stops you from saying NO??? seems Rhodn. Learned to say "vacation" instead of business. When traveling to avoid being hassled. And the lovely Canadians seem to be the ones that bothered him the most .
     
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    My question was rhetorical.

    I read how you described yourself - but I wonder whether you have the tools of imagination or empathy to ask whether the experience is the same for others who are quite manifestly not "white upper middle aged businessmen".

    And the reason I asked is that I very much doubt whether a "white upper middle aged gentleman" would be asked such questions, least of all in an offensive, condescending, insulting and belittling manner.
     
  20. Rhonindk macrumors 68020

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    It had gotten very pervasive especially after 9/11. Standing procedure for our company is to not take your company laptop on international business trips, instead to use a loaner laptop at the destination site if possible. It has dialed back in recent years. I suspect it was source country and devices they were primarily looking for.
    Doubt all you want. That tells me you likely lack the travel experience many of u have.

    While it was minor inconvenience for me (returning to the US), for my consultants (typically from India) it was a pain.

    For disclosure: Travel for me was predominately 2002 - 2012. These days I do far less :)
     
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    I have been pulled aside for additional screening on more than one occasion. I suspect it was the name, because I look like Egon from Ghostbusters.
     
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    That is the second patronising post you have made this evening in response to one of mine when I challenged your privileged position in your wretched society.

    Actually, I am exceptionally widely travelled - but - and I admit it is an interesting but - but not - as it happens - to the United States, a country that holds little interest for me.
     
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    One of our friends is Albanian. He's thin, dark-skinned, and has a beard. He has yet to pass through an airport in the US without being searched and questioned extensively. They ask him about being Muslim, but he comes for an atheist socialist family. :rolleyes: The degree of profiling (=prejudice) in US airport screening is appalling and shameful. And if people think that feeling victimised by this kind of TSA treatment is something that never happens to Caucasians, just look it up on YouTube. Some white Americans completely lose it when they're patted down.
     
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    So you call into question someone who lives in the US and traveled extensively. Basically calling me a liar.
    Try Googling it next time. Heck, just do a search at MR. What I experienced was frequent enough that ACLU, Tech Pubs, DHS, DEA, MSM, and many others published articles on it.
     
  25. Zenithal macrumors 68040

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    What I say when I fly internationally for business. I use that or "for pleasure."
     

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