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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by mcrain, Feb 16, 2011.
So much for investing in infrastructure.
Stupid is as stupid does. Utter madness. This country needs to move into the 21st century. Hell, I'd settle for the 20th. Infrastructure is what government is supposed to spend money on.
You know, a high speed rail from Orlando to a city with a beach sounds so fantastic, I wonder why Disney themselves haven't started a project like that.
Living in Orlando (and not voting for this guy), I am not happy with turning down free money to provide jobs in our state.
However, Orlando-Tampa (84 miles, with a DIRECT interstate) is the wrong corridor. Between driving to station, security, travel time, and getting to your ultimate destination, it will still be quicker to drive. And while one may want to get from Tampa to Orlando, there are few wanting to go from Orlando to Tampa. An Orlando to Miami or Atlanta route makes far more sense.
And on the heels of that...
If they want to live in the 1970s with high gas prices, fine by us over here. When they complain about how expensive it is, this can be thrown back in the face of this idiotic governor and be told to lay in the bed they made.
That makes a lot of sense, although, if you can get people to ride instead of drive, you can save a lot in fuel and emmissions. Not to mention the safety factor.
Personally, I'd like to see long distance, very high speed lines as opposed to regional semi-high speed lines.
I lived in Florida for a year. A high speed rail that basically follows a free way is completely unnecessary. Why the hell would you put one there when better rail roads are needed in other places far more?
Of course we have all the usual suspects crying that Obama made the right decision and Florida's governor is a moron, even though those users know nothing of the area in question.
Maybe the Obama Administration just has their 'MESSAGING' wrong?
Actually, the leaders of these states just seem to realize just how big of a 'bag of hurt' high speed rail really is in the U.S. Spend billions today only to lose millions each year from now until forever? NO THANKS.
Rick Scott of the "largest Medicare fraud in history" fame?
What does it matter if it follows a freeway?
The point is getting people out of cars.
It probably follows the freeway, because issues of right-of-way have already been largely dealt with.
Build the rail and tear up the highway. Would that make people happy? (Obviously that's a silly idea in an area that has hurricanes and needs alternative ways of egress).
The problem is, this short of a route will not get people out of their cars.
Orlando is contemplating local light rail, a project that would be more effective in achieving this goal.
Republican rejects federal money = idiot
Republican accepts federal money = hypocrite
welcome to the GOP bashing of the boards.
Clearly, he's an idiot for not showing us he's a hypocrite.
Clearly, he's NOT an idiot. He committed the largest Medicare fraud in history and got off scott free. (haha). Then got elected as Governor of Florida.
"In a statement, Scott said "I was elected to get Floridians back to work and to change the way government does business in our state."
Jeez, I wonder how many construction workers could be employed with over $400 million.
What a prick. Politics before people.
Republican stops pandering to underinformed voters by promoting a comically rigid and childish slogan-based idea of public finance = could make either choice rationally without getting this reaction
How much in annual debt payments and high-speed rail losses would it be worth exactly to hire several thousand temporary construction workers?
Based on the almost certain future losses, maybe it'd be smarter to just have them dig holes and then fill them back in.
You don't know that that would happen. Could you please cite the data that your assumptions are based on? For seeing how it is working well in the Northeast Corridor, the facts there seem to contradict your statements.
So you base the idea of future losses on our current crap system. Guess why we are trying to update it? SO IT CAN BE PROFITABLE. Let's not even factor in the huge benefits of high speed freight rail.
Also, jobs by themselves are a stimulus to the economy, as those are people who otherwise wouldn't be receiving a paycheck are now spending (they have to).
There are both short term and long term benefits to this kind of investment.
From the quote/link:
And it works both ways quite easily:
Democrat stops pandering to underinformed voters by promoting a comically emotional and childish slogan-based idea of government assistance = could make critical assertions rationally without getting my reaction
I really don't understand why everyone makes this assumption that the high speed rail is aimed primarily at commuter use. It's not.
High speed freight rail will lower shipping costs for businesses quite significantly. Hell even just a modernization/proper upkeep of our rail system will have a massive impact on shipping costs.
If it was profitable, a capitalist would have already built it. It isn't profitable, so government has to subsidize it in order for it to be viable. Basic economics. When customers/citizens don't want it, businessmen don't build it. When customers/citizens don't want it, government forces it down our throats anyway.
Right, jobs by themselves are a stimulus... so if we just paid some guys dig holes and fill them back in, that'd be stimulative to the economy... right?
The governor's response seemed to be the very definition of rationality to me...
" "Capital cost overruns that could put Florida taxpayers on the hook for an additional $3 billion," "overly optimistic" ridership and revenue projections, and $2.4 billion owed to the feds if the project "becomes too costly for taxpayers and is shut down." "
Why the **** would anyone ever hire people to just dig holes? The point of a public works project is that in benefits the workers via a paycheck, and they add something to society as well (the rail system in this case).
This is the **** I was talking about with you, lets just make a ridiculous statement that no one called for and rally against. Welcome to the ignore list. I'm sure you'll be happier with one less person that doesn't worship the almighty Capitalist god bothering you.