Florida governor's contest 2018 (general election)

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  1. LizKat macrumors 601

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    Well it's certainly off to an incendiary start, after the primary elections were held on Tuesday. On the Dem side progressive Tallahassee mayor Andrew Gillum won, and on the GOP side, it's pro-Trump congress critter Ron DeSantis.

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-florida-governors-race-20180829-story.html
    "Monkey this up?" Whatever else the GOP dude is, he's not subtle when he whistles.

    The Florida governor's race will be a big money drain for both sides, even though the Dems are hot to pour dollars into key House contests, and the GOP hopes to widen a Senate margin. Even though there are probably only a dozen Senate seats likely to flip, the GOP hopes to force the Dems to defend each and every one of the 23 seats they have up for re-election in 2018, plus two independents who caucus with them. The GOP only has to defend 8 seats.

    Advantage money-wise in Florida: you decide. The governorship of Florida has been in Republican hands for 20 years. Flipping it, and to a first African American Florida governorship at that, would be quite a plum for the Democrats. Losing a chance at flipping the House might not be worth an all-in bet on a black progressive mayor beating a pro-Trump Congressman in that state in 2018.

    However, the Dems' turnout in the primary was stunning (1.4 million) and beat all previous records in Florida for that primary. A lot will depend on whether the Republicans show up at polls in November. Looks like DeSantis means to make it about Trump and to whistle in all the porch dogs he can locate.
     
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    Let's just hope they remember this was just the primary and they need to turn out in even stronger numbers in November.
     
  3. mudslag macrumors regular

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    Democrat turnout over the last 4 elections in Florida

    2006: 857,814

    2010: 871,335

    2014: 837,720

    2018: 1,509,960
     
  4. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    I'm not going to put any faith in the polls for that states races. The polls they had in the just run primary were way off base, as we can see with the Democrat winner. Polls had him in 4th place. Somethings seriously screwy down there.
     
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    State polls have a high error. Just reading about the average error for state elections for senate and they are on average out by 8 points. The worst are out by 14 points.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-trouble-is-ted-cruz-really-in/
     
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    Losers appeal to losers? :oops: Let’s just hope there are more winners and I’m not not talking about winning the election.
     
  7. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    This is going to get ugly as the right wing nuts continue to come out.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ombard-florida-race-with-black-minstrel-style

    Racist robocalls hit Florida with black minstrel-style voice mocking Gillum


     
  8. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    Remember how we've discussed elsewhere about how one's past especially online, can catch up with you?

    https://shareblue.com/ron-desantis-racist-facebook-page-moderator/

    SMH :confused:
     
  9. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    The GOP justification of this one is already making the rounds. They are saying that anyone can be added to a group and made a moderator. Sadly, this is true and the rank file will eat it up.
     
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    Well, we know the GOP candidate went with the Trump-approved, bullhorn racist "monkey-up" route. This is not a coincidence, this a tactic. How long until we have "let's not coon-up this election", "let's not send this back to the country these ideals came from", "let's not murder and rape this" up kicks in to play?

    Either the bonehead is a racist, or he's too dumb to be governor.

    This is an extremely diverse race - these candidates couldn't be further apart. Should be interesting to see what happens.
     
  11. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    In the end it is all up to the people of Florida. Come election day we will get to see what kind of people they are.
     
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    Like most modern Democrats Gillum just does not understand how the economy works. I understand he has to parrot the Progressive Democrat mantra to keep his cred with them, but they just don't get it. If you tax corporations they will just pass that tax along to the consumer and force them to pick up the tab. Businesses do not pay taxes, their customers pay the tax. Given the voting record of Florida, though this is not really going to fly with the voters or the legislature, (who really has the ultimate say).

    Gillum: Florida would tax corporations, join other states to pay for Medicare for all

    http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...tax-corporations-team-up-with-other-states-to

     
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    But corporation tax only taxes profits and in the free market companies set there prices as high as the market will bear, so I don’t see how increasing corporation tax will increase prices? It will only affect dividends.
     
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    And the GOP understands how the economy works? They give tax breaks to corporations which they say will be used to boost worker wages. Right. :confused:
     
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    'monkey-up'??? Honestly I have never heard this phrase before, so it does sound deliberate. Just to check I looked at frequency of the phrase on Google Trends and the phrase has a really low frequency on the web until this candidate shot his mouth off. It is not some sort of stock phrase that people say habitually.
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    Fine - let us make the shareholders pay by taxing capital gains from stock just like any other form of income.
     
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    Oh, don't get me wrong. The GOP is clueless, too. They keep engaging in crony capitalism at the expense of the free market. They're far from being realistic capitalists.
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    What is is with Democrats and taxing people? Always with the stealing of money from others to fund their pet projects. Hold a friggin' bake sale or something. Taxation is punishment.
     
  17. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    Taxes could easily be called an investment instead. The foundation of a society that is able to be so successful was built by tax money. Also, although I am distressed by Climate change, part of me wishes Florida would just be engulfed by the Ocean already...
     
  18. mac_in_tosh macrumors 6502

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    Is it punishment to have decent roads, public transportation, schools, armed forces, police and fire departments, etc.?
     
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    How dare you. /s
     
  20. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    Doesn't matter what you spend the loot on after you steal it. It is still theft and the people you have stolen it from have been punished for having enough money to make them a target. Public transportation is, by and large an underused boondoggle, these days and, in areas that still fund it, it is more costly than it is worth and used only by a few people. As for the others, they could all be funded via other methods than taxation, but local governments have found that taking peoples money is better than finding non-coercive methods of funding. Having the things you listed is not a punishment, funding them through taxation is a punishment to those who have their money taken from them. The would be governor of Florida wants to steal money from businesses to give other people state run healthcare, despite the fact that the majority these businesses already spend inordinate amounts of money providing their employees with health insurance. Now he, and presumably others want them to also pay for the healthcare of people who do not work for them. That's immoral and the worst sort of wealth redistribution.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_as_theft
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    Taxes are never a real investment as they drain money from the economy that could have been better used. If something needs investing in there is always a free market mechanism to fund it through real investment. We had roads, schools, public transport, a military and every other good thing before we had a 16th Amendment to the Constitution and an income tax, or the myriad of other taxes that have come since. We have had a very successful society with low or no major taxation, for a long time. The only true beneficiary of taxes is government and it's gang members. If the would be governor of Florida wants to fund healthcare let him start a Go Fund Me and see how many people agree with his wealth redistribution.
     
  21. RichardMZhlubb, Sep 2, 2018
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    No, taxation is the mechanism through which modern society is built. Calling taxation “punishment” is silly. Unless you are a total anarchist, you have to acknowledge the value of government spending.
     
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    When the country's infrastructure, defence and the welfare of the people are satisfactory, then taxes should come down. Until then the rich are getting a free ride. For example, I note Trump reneged on his promise to release his tax forms. My bet is that he has paid precious little tax given his actual wealth and income.
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    Generations of Americans who have voted in the politicians raising those taxes disagree with you. So do I. Talk to me when you eschew all government funded services, discoveries and inventions (such as the internet). Also, the worst form of wealth distribution is a runaway process whereby the rich get everything leaving the rest to eat cake. Once the rich own everything, there will be no economy.
     
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    A slight tangentially related aside concerning the Facebook group that the GoP candidate until recently belonged to, that was a bit on the racist side.

    https://splinternews.com/gop-rep-rod-blum-doxed-a-reporter-instead-of-answering-1828765521

    Ahhhh... Florida GOP you give your constituents so many wonderful choices.
     
  24. LizKat thread starter macrumors 601

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    Well one gets a different drift in US politics of the 21st century if one feeds a search engine the Portuguese equivalent of "monkey". Run "George Allen" and "macaca" through a search engine with respect to Virginia's 2006 US Senate election. From the Wikipedia account of the runup to that election.

    Mr. Allen eventually apologized for use of the term "macaca" after at first claiming he had made the word up. In describing a person, the term has a long history of being used as a racial slur. Allen framed his apology in context of his having endured racist taunts that he said were leveled at him during the same campaign (after media revealed that his ancestry included Tunisian Jews), saying he regretted the original incident and the subsequent verbal abuse of his own family. His initial response to revelation of his mother's heritage was not well received by some American Jews.

    In general Allen's campaign after August that year was more or less an object lesson in how not to run for federal office in the USA, since he kept making things worse for himself in trying walk back his off the cuff responses to media questions on each previous reply. Part of his potential electorate may have fancied his remarks but what he said clearly damaged his ability to collect swing votes.

    Anyway in the Florida governor's race this year, maybe Mr. DeSantis should have a look back at Allen's Senate race in 2006 for a few pointers. The era of Trump may seem far more permissive of racist dog whistles than back in the days of the GW Bush administration. But, it's probably not as permissive as DeSantis thinks it is when it comes to suggesting that a black candidate might "monkey up" a contest for Florida governor.
     
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