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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by appleguy123, Apr 8, 2011.
Let's see that makes:
Probably. This is what happens when you elect republicans :/
Let's see, Republicans are anti-evolution, so that means (oh, excuse me while I scratch my armpit) ...
Republicans: we want less government intrusion unless it involves your heretical beliefs or sexual deviancies.
Exactly why government should have NO involvement in education!
Next year: A bill that allows geography teachers to talk about heaven and hell.
I have got to find a smart religious person to talk to... this is getting me so frustrated that I'm starting to be a jerk. I'm just getting to the point that whenever I see someone wearing a cross I assume they are a gullible, homophobic, intellectually lazy hillbilly and I know thats not fair.
I need to find some common ground or I am going to be a very angry person and I don't want to be... feel a little better already
At least I could see the logic and theory behind the Tennessee law. This one on the other had I just can not see any logic or the theory behind it because science class is about science and theory and ID has part of its bases in religion.
MacAddicttt? mscriv? obeygiant? LeetApple? These are decent, smart, respectable believers on this site, just to name a few.
"He added that evolution and "non-evolution" theories could easily be discussed at the same time."
I would be fun for the kids to discuss evolution, Cthulhu mythos, Creationism and Flying Spaghetti Monster mythos at the same time in the classroom.
The kids are so lucky!
Unfortunately, in no way shape or form can religion be called or taught as a theory.
Theory: in modern science the term "theory", or "scientific theory" is generally understood to refer to a proposed explanation of empirical phenomena, made in a way consistent with scientific method.
I grew up in the U.S.A. basically thinking we as a country if not superior, were at the head of human civilization. Now I think we are a bunch of ********** idiots drunk with greed and bent on self delusion and ruination. And three ********** wars to boot??? (There is always room for war.) What the hell is wrong with us?
Thanks but I'm agnostic.
And while the theory of evolution doesn't explain how we got here from a to z, it's better than "we are not sure so god must have done it."
More evidence that the Christian version of the Taliban is trying to take over. This insanity has to be stopped- NOW. This kind of thing should not be tolerated at all.
This is not merely a point of view. It is ignorance and evil- plain and simple.
So sorry :\
Man, talk about overreactions in this thread.
First, from the article (which is a good point)
Unless the teacher actively censors people in class who do come from some sort of religious background from asking questions/making comments, these issues are bound to come up anyways. Not to mention students probably would talk about them outside of school if they actually care about them.
Second, critical thinking is almost ALWAYS a benefit in my opinion. As someone who has been to college, the lack of critical thinking is terrible - no matter which way it goes. People who are "anti religion" tend to be incapable or not-desiring to hear or try to understand a religious viewpoint, and likewise those who are religious tend to put their heads in the sand and go "la la la" when people critique religion. Or just look at politics in the USA. There is minimal obvious critical thinking going on. We can only hope some people behind the scenes and out of the media spotlight are actually doing this...
When you just get information fed to you as "fact" without having to process it on your own it contributes to an atrophy (or lack of development) of critical thinking. You can't magically get good at thinking critically unless you've practiced it. Many students probably have beliefs inherited from their parents completely. Having them think outside their current belief system, especially when it's inherited, is so important.
Evolution being taught as a theory (ie with empirical information to back it up, as Huntn says) would be very hard to discredit within a scientific equivalent of any religious backing. Nearly all evidence for all faiths is, well, faith based. The sky would not fall as seems many of you believe if evolution had counterpoints discussed within a classroom setting.
Would it be okay if they taught evolution and just the Islamic alternatives? Because I think we all know "religious" explanations means just Christianity.
We have churches and Sunday School for a reason - teaching and spreading Christianity. If people are curious about exploring faith, let them seek it out.
I agree critical thinking is very important, but how to achieve it should be left to the school and teachers, not some politicized board making over reaching decisions.
Yes, critical thinking is important. "Intelligent design" is the exact opposite of critical thinking. If it must be addressed (e.g., a student presses the issue), it should be given the weight it deserves. Fairy tales should be clearly identified as such and not be presented as alternatives to science.
I suppose it is too hopeful of me to assume when they say "intelligent design" it is not associated with a specific religion
My only issue with this is that a politician is involved in the curriculum. Personally, I would not mind to see critique of evolution so long as it's done on a purely scientific basis. It would take a few minutes in total. If they are going to teach ID, however, then it too should be subject to a critique. That would take up far too much valuable class time, IMO.
Chrmjenkins, one of the most intelligent MR members should be mentioned.
I knew I would not be covering everyone. As I think of it, MacDawg and RedWarrior are also worthy of mention.
I doubt there are many science teachers who haven't had students bring up creationist issues in class. I doubt that anybody here is against open discussion and critical thinking. I doubt that anybody here is advocating censoring students.
But it's one thing to address student-raised questions and concerns about evolution in class, and entirely another to require teachers to include creationism in the curriculum.
Sorry to overreact about it.
There I go ... getting all screechy.
Oh, I know. Didn't mean to take it further but jenkins is just so darn smart it makes my head hurt.
For your gaff, or his lack of belief??
(Lunch time here. I could use some of His noodley goodness right about now.)