It's better than buying a Dell to install Linux on. Once he has a Mac, I'm sure he would eventually give OS X a go.hcuar said:Man... I guess this guy is a major PeeCee troll. It makes my blood pressure rise. Reminds me of a guy at work that mentioned buying a Mac Mini to install Linux on. Need I say more?
What's so funny is how many people said that about the iPod.zoozx said:Actually I kind of agree with the article.
I'm not impressed with the new hardware and think these may be history in a year or 2. Similar to the cubes life/death.
I don't think MS gets that level of stupidity for any price... they get it for free.crazedbytheheat said:The author may end up being right about the stock, but I thought the overall tone of the article made him sound like a Mac hater. No professional should use a line like "Mac fans who've been sipping Steve's Kool-Aid" in an article talking about business. And slamming SJ because he supposedly waffled and now thinks the time is right for a flash based is just asinine. Perhaps he's never heard of marketing (not really, this site spams mercilessly if you sign up for an email).
Maybe he should have tuned in for the earnings report before declaring Apple a failure. This is almost as bad as the News.com article. I swear Microsoft pays these guys to start slamming Apple after every new announcement.
Oh well, gotta go check the status of my iLife '05 and iPod shuffle order. Guess I'd also better not tell the guys at work who are going to go buy an iMac mini (first Mac they've ever owned).
Yeah, very simple. The rest of the market took a bit of a dive, too. Talk about jumping to conclusions. And we're supposed to take financial advice from this guy? Puh-lease.Bob Knob said:"Apple's (Nasdaq: AAPL) stock took a bit of a dive yesterday following CEO Steve Jobs' blockbuster presentation at Macworld. The reason was simple.
Similar technology... but TV's are MUCH lower quality. That's why computer displays cost more than TVs. They have a lower scan/refresh rate, they have interlace flicker, they have lower dot pitch, and they have analog input with a very blurry picture. You don't notice because you're used to it--and because text on TV credits is always large. But plug in a computer to a TV (which the Mac Mini CAN do) and you'll find interface text very difficult to read, unless you use 640x480--which will still be annoyingly blurry.jkaz said:and speaking of monitors, aren't all crt monitors basically a tv?
This paragraph from the article worries me. The Motley Fool is highly regarded by the investment community, so I'm assuming what they wrote here was not on a lark. Is it possible Apple cooked the books? I'd hate to see our fanaticism blind any objective scrutiny of these stock options.From Fool:
Fun facts for Apple shareholders: Apple diluted your stock 6.6% last year, and nearly a third of the cash the firm took in came not from operations, but from exercise of stock options. Given that people generally only pay to exercise an option when they're pretty sure they can sell the underlying stock at a premium, how do you think that changes the bottom line? For a clue, check the footnotes in the 10-K for the pro forma reconciliation of the result of the firm's generous options plan. For 2003, the $0.19 profit turns into a $0.27 loss. For 2004, the $0.71 profit shrinks down to $0.45. Oh my. Think that's just a little bookkeeping thing? Think again.
I'm a Mac zealot, and just had to respond to your article. First off, I really enjoyed reading it except for the fact that you made a few faulty claims. First, lets take a look at the tech specs of the new low end Mac Mini:
1.25GHz PowerPC G4
256MB of PC2700 DDR SDRAM
ATI Radeon 9200 w/ 32MB of DDR SDRAM and AGP 4X support
40GB hard drive
Slot-loading Combo Drive (DVD player, CD Player, and CD Burner)
Firewire 400 port
2 USB 2.0 port
10/100 BASE-T Ethernet
56K V.92 modem
Headphone/audio line out
90 days of tech support
Now lets take a look at the low end Dell:
2.40GHz Intel Celeron
512MB shared DDR SDRAM
40GB Hard Drive
Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics Card (we'll talk about RAM and performance later)
USB 1.1 (not stated, but I believe this is the case)
Keyboard & Mouse
90 days of tech support
$399 after two $50 rebates
Just at its face value, what are we looking at here. The dell is $100 cheaper, comes with a 512MB RAM, monitor, mouse, and keyboard. Those are the only things it has going for it. Now what's against it? Well lets start at the top. First off, as you'll notice it does not ship with Firewire 400 and is not even an upgrade option on Dell's website! It also doesn't ship with USB 2.0. Now, you can obtain both of these in a single after-market PCI card for around $50, so now we're up to $449.
Now lets talk about the "Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics" card. This puppy is so weak, it steals memory from the main system, and does it with the help of the computer's celeron, in order to make your graphics run. This decreases performance drastically; in fact these chips are so bad that you can bearly run any of today's 3D games. Even Halo (a Microsoft game) runs on this Mac Mini (and very well to might I add), but you'd be happy just to get The Sims to run on this Dell hunk of junk.
Also the processor itself. Have you ever read performance reviews of the celeron? It's been nicknamed the "Cripple Chip" mostly because a ton of the core features commonly found on other chips have simply been discarded to make this thing as cheap as possible. Take the GHz of this computer and cut it in half - thats roughly the performance you'd get as compared to the Mac Mini (before the dell gets infested with malware of course).
Next lets move on to the RAM issue. The Dells got us beaten here since that Intel Integrated graphics card steals so much ram they installed 512MB already. This will bring the price of our Mac Mini up to $574. Next lets add a monitor. I chose the 17" one made by "Famous Brand" since thats about the quality you'd be getting anyways with dell, and that puts us up another $70. Any USB keyboard and mouse? $10 easy. Now we're up to $654 for Mac Mini, and only $449 for the Dell.
Next, the optical drive. The Mac Mini comes with a CD burner, and a DVD player. In order to upgrade the Dell to match our ever-so-cute little Mac, we need to spend $79 AND WE END UP WITH 2 DRIVES, not a slick combo like our Mac. The score? $649 Mac vs. $528
Now lets talk about software and total cost of ownership. Your Mac will never get a virus, never popup adware, spyware; any type of malware. Soooo, what can we do to protect ourselves from these pesky problems with our Dell? How 'bout adding 2 and 1/2 years of virus protection since most people wait that long between upgrade cycles. Slap on another $138 for either a Norton antivirus, or McAfee subscription for a total of $666 now.
Starting to sound a bit more even now? So there we go - $649 Mac that takes up about as much space on your desk (note, not under your desk) as an external CD burner vs. a $666 Dell that probably won't see the light of day ever, since you'll have it generally hidden under your desk with the rest of your trash.This isn't even counting the fact that you'd have to upgrade the graphics card to match the Mac Mini which would cost another $59 and have us up to $725!
In the end when you buy a dell, you really are buying a 666 computer. It will takeover your life, and be about as lucky as you in Vegas.
Bob Knob said:I didn't bother reading past the first section:
"Apple's (Nasdaq: AAPL) stock took a bit of a dive yesterday following CEO Steve Jobs' blockbuster presentation at Macworld. The reason was simple. Months of hyperactive speculation have priced the stock at an extreme premium."
This "analyst" doesn't know crap. Apple stock has ALWAYS gone down after a MacWorld, it has nothing to do with what is announced at the Keynote. Do people actually make any money on the market by following Fool.com?
Thats one of the arguments PC users like to make about PCs. -- That it is upgradeable. But in my experience, the moment you want to upgrade the processor, you end having to upgrade both the MB and the chipset, and probably the RAM as well. You really end up with a new computer. Apple realizes this, but PC users like to make a point of it.fabsgwu said:If you skimped when you bought the PC and got the "bargain PC," the components and processor were probably of very poor quality (the stock Dell etc. parts are very cheaply made). By now, you may be desperate for a change. Each iteration of XP demands more and more processing power, if you got the low end three years ago, you're probably suffering now.