For the love of God, bring back Scott Forstall.

Discussion in 'iOS 8' started by BlockEight88, Sep 25, 2014.

  1. BlockEight88 macrumors regular

    Mar 20, 2013
    This guy may have been an arrogant jerk, but he knew his job. We never had the major versions of iOS launch as buggy as 8 did. Yes, Apple maps was not great when it launched, but the rest of the OS was not a mess. Say what you guys want, he was genius when it came to software development. Apple should really find some way to bring this guy back.
  2. X-X macrumors 6502

    Aug 22, 2014
    He was really good, he also co-created OS X and was with Jobs at Next.
  3. Rodster macrumors 68040

    May 15, 2007
    Apple would disagree. They think Beats is a far better investment and Jony Ive knows software better than Forstall.

  4. BlockEight88 thread starter macrumors regular

    Mar 20, 2013
    Well history speaks for itself. I know Forstall was not perfect (cough Apple maps) but this guy obviously knew his job. I often wonder how iOS 7 and 8 would be if he were still in charge. I think it is safe to say that iOS 8 would not be the mess it is today. Would it have a few bugs? Yes, of course, but emphasis on 'few'.


    Ive in my opinion is loosing his touch.
  5. I7guy macrumors G5

    Nov 30, 2013
    Looking at Central Park@550 feet
    I would really like him back to bring back IOS 6. /sar
  6. macrumors member

    Jul 30, 2013
    Did Mr Forstall design the previous iOS all by himself then? :)
  7. sanke1 macrumors 65816


    Nov 9, 2010
    No man can retain his artistic touch forever. The guys who were once genius can fall behind the innovation curve as world moves forward to the next best thing faster than they can imagine.

    Even if Forstall is brought back, what is the guarantee that things will improve? Apple has designed the new iOS 7 interface spending billions of dollars. They would want to improve on that design for at least next 2-3 years.

    The only thing that needs to be done is boost the Q&A team and make sure they start the beta cycle a month earlier. They also need to make sure that interface smoothness is not sacrificed at any cost. Even if that means they have to sacrifice 1-2 features to retain the same performance. That would increase their chances of pushing a stable release and shut out hyper guys like me.
  8. Vetvito macrumors 6502a

    Sep 30, 2012
    I'm sure Mr Forstall did all of the coding personally. That's why there wasn't as many bugs.

  9. Fzang macrumors 65816


    Jun 15, 2013
    Despite all the bugginess, iOS is moving faster than ever, finally catching up with the lackluster of features.
  10. I7guy macrumors G5

    Nov 30, 2013
    Looking at Central Park@550 feet
    Actually I'm happy with the lack of features such as touchid. It's obvious apple never innovates.
  11. mattburley7 macrumors 68030

    Oct 13, 2011
    no thanks we would still have that ugly looking leather in iOS and OS x applications :(
  12. Merode macrumors 6502


    Nov 5, 2013
    Warszawa, Poland
    The team is only as good as its leader. His job is to manage everybody else and something went wrong here.
  13. blue rocket Suspended

    blue rocket

    Jul 28, 2010
    CT, USA
    it's funny how many people here have no idea how large companies work. Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING is the responsibility of one person. Stop blaming Cook and Ive and whoever else. **** happens, and then we live, get over it.
  14. I7guy macrumors G5

    Nov 30, 2013
    Looking at Central Park@550 feet
    Huh? The buck stops with the CEO. That is his/her job and why they get paid the big bucks and big bonus.

    While Timmy did not personally code the glitch, it's up to him to ensure apple has appropriate coding and regression procedures in place to mitigate this type of thing.

    It's unlikely there will be any ramifications, but I'll bet apple will be looking at it's software development/testing and release policies going forward.
  15. apollo1444 macrumors 65816

    Jul 22, 2011
    quality might be higher with forstall but Craig is giving iOS users the features they've always wished.. i go for craig
  16. class77 macrumors 6502a


    Nov 16, 2010
  17. Traverse macrumors 604


    Mar 11, 2013
    I kind of have to agree with you. Ive, Cook, and Federighi are not responsible for actually coding the software, but they are the head of software development. It is there responsibility to have teams and testing policies in place to catch major bugs.

    I still don't think Forstall is the answer.
  18. Michaelgtrusa macrumors 604

    Oct 13, 2008
    I have a feeling that stress is one of the many factors at Apple these days. Keep in mind that in china suppliers tend to change the specs of American tech for bigger profit and to undermine American companies.
  19. cmichaelb macrumors 68020


    Aug 6, 2008
    He let iOS stagnate and allowed Android to pass up iOS in features. By all accounts, he was very difficult to work with to the point that senior executives would not sit in meetings with him present.

    He needed to go. We may not like the look of iOS now, but look at the tons of features that have been added since he left.
  20. sanke1 macrumors 65816


    Nov 9, 2010
    If you look closely, Notes app still has some kind of faux texture material.

    So they have not completely removed skeumorphism of any sorts.
  21. Zcott macrumors 68020

    Oct 18, 2009
    Belfast, Ireland
    Forstall got too big and thought he was above Apple.

    He wasn't.
  22. The Phazer macrumors 68030

    Oct 31, 2007
    London, UK
    Hell no. Forstall had lost the plot and was responsible for the maps debacle, truly the worst thing Apple has ever done.

    iOS wouldn't be any better under him today - the problem is Apple has not figured out project management of a huge OS and not a small boutique one. It makes no sense for stock apps to update through major OS changes rather than the app store, but that's a consequence of bad team design that they didn't have dedicated development teams (or where they did, they were hopeless, like Podcasts).
  23. Cougarcat macrumors 604

    Sep 19, 2003
    I'm guessing the OP never used OS X in its early days...
  24. X-X macrumors 6502

    Aug 22, 2014
    Yeah that's the Microsoft mentality. TONS of features and non of them work correctly.

    The OS is crap, but hey... at least there are TONS of features.

    This is exactly what Apple NEVER did and now does, and nothing works right because of it.
  25. TheRainKing macrumors 6502a


    Jun 11, 2012
    It makes sense for software to be buggy in the early days, but iOS has been around for about almost 8 years.

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