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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by AdonisSMU, Dec 29, 2015.
This surprises you?
Good for them. As long as they follow the RULES you can't blame them. Blame the politicians that made the RULES.
Okay, so we feel the same about poor people on welfare, even if they're taking advantage of it?
So ... do you support changing those rules?
So do you acknowledge that those very politicians are only in office because the wealthy and corporations bought them and installed them there?
I'll never understand how conservatives can rail against crony capitalism, but seem to worship at the breadcrumbs corporations offer, and place the blame on individual people when it's well known this system runs on money.
If you mean by legally taking advantage of it if they are qualified for it then i'm all for it. Not so much if that are doing it illegally by reporting false information to obtain it or maintain their eligibility. The same goes for people taking advantage of tax rules to lower their tax burden. If they are doing it legally i have no problem with it. If they are falsely claiming deductions or not reporting income then they should be audited.
Sure. Some of these rules should be changed or should of been changed a long time ago.
Absolutely! Money talks. As long as it is in politics both side will cater to who is flipping the bill. This has nothing to do with Conservatives. Obama and Hillary are as guilty or more guilty than any conservative. Don't play dumb thinking it is a one party issue. As long as there are lobbyist and special interest groups all politicians can be bought. I'm all for removing money out of politics but we know that will never happen anytime soon.
The conservative reference was regarding self proclaimed conservatives, not the political parties, I should have made that clearer.
And you're right at the underlined, there is one party in the USA with two wings, and that is the Corporatist party.
Never say never. Trump spent the least of anyone yet he is polling the best out of the republicans. Bernie and Trump suffer from a similar problem in my eyes. They both are honest about their intentions and in many ways hold the same platforms just stated from a conservative point of view and a liberal point of view.
good luck on that remember they got expensive lawyers to get them off. white collar crime is a huge issue now and seldom does anyone get caught.
You know rebranding it back to the way we used to describe these things, Corporate Crime, might get the public to realize that these are systemic issues.
White collar has the tendency of focusing on the individual.
AS long as they are not scamming the system, YES.
Ah yes, the beastly scoundrels are named Loeb, Bacon, and Cohen. I see where this is going...
Yes, the politicians who made the RULES are to blame but who was it that put them in elected office in the first place? The people of course who foolishly vote against their own best interests.
So then the next question ... do you support politicians who support changing the rules?
Cognitive dissonance is strong with many conservatives. They drone on about poor people and welfare yet ignore all the corporate welfare crony capitalism has created, even though corporate welfare costs the average American over 100 times more of their tax dollars than welfare for poor people.
21st century America: socialism for the elite and multinational corporations, and rugged individualism for everyone else. What a crock.
I would call routing your money through various shell corporations to hide it essentially scamming the system, just the same as someone who gets paid in cash but doesn't report it. But, I know that's just a commie, socialist, liberal viewpoint.
As long as it's legal it's ok! I could own slaves once. It doesn't matter!!! It's legal!!! I'm doing nothing wrong.
Doing nothing wrong and doing nothing illegal are completely different things.
Nevertheless, the more liberal wing serves the public interest somewhat better.
The liberal agenda is to stay in power, at any cost. Why? Go look up the appointees under Clinton for every agency he controlled. If you dare. What will you find? Clinton cronies were paid millions to run government supported agencies like HUD, and many did this from their "home offices" and let the agencies otherwise run themselves.
It's all about money and power for the liberals, not the people.
George Soros was the principal author of this tax avoidance loophole by the way... Under the watchful eye of his buddy Bill Clinton.
.....You'll be hard pressed to find anyone these days that thinks Bill Clinton is even remotely left leaning. Another "Third Way" ($$$$$) Democrat, he is THE DEFINITION of a corporatist.
The liberal wing does no such thing. In fact their propensity to expand government results in astronomical costs and inefficiencies that actually harm people. But hey, there's a thing for that, so that must mean the public interest is being served. Gimme a break.
Clinton was kept in check. He's also a political whore who quickly learned that staying in check benefited him politically. Obama was not kept in check and was like a junky with a pile of crack in front of him, but they are one in the same: Leftists. People who don't see that only demonstrate how far left on the spectrum they are.
Kept in check...how?
With nothing moving through Congress in the last 6 years, nominations for judgeships and department heads going unfilled because Congress refuses to even vote on them, how exactly is he getting his way?
I don't like Obama at all, he serves corporate interests above all else, but facts matter.....well not to you, but they matter.