Ford to move car production outside of the U.S.

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    I suspect FoMoCo felt enabled to offshore these American jobs because a) they did not need a federal bailout and b) a corporatist free-trader lives in the White House. Either way, it stinks. Hopefully, Ford will decide to build something else there and no-one loses their job.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ift-michigan-small-car-production-out-of-u-s-
     
  2. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Not to defend the POTUS, but you should be putting more blame and disdain on the executive board and brass at Ford than the POTUS for this. They are the ones that couldn't keep their costs down to compete with other companies, to the point where they are not only moving them out of the state, but out of the country.

    By contrast, Toyota, to save costs, just shifted one of their factories/offices from California to Texas, and assembles their cars in Tennessee. Toyota also didn't need bailing out as well.

    TL;DR: Your blame is misplaced.

    BL.
     
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    Automakers move product lines around all the time when the current model is EOLed. Ford only has two final assembly plants in Mexico so unless the Fusion is moved out of Hermosillo (which I doubt) the only other plant is Cuautitlán which is severely under utilized building only the Fiesta.

    I don't blame Ford at all for wanting to get the Focus (low profit margins) out of a UAW plant and use that capacity to build a more profitable vehicle line. Ford has some serious supply constraints on more profitable models like Escape, Edge, Explorer and F-150. It makes a lot more sense to build models like those in a UAW plant then it does a Focus.
     
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    From the article:
    So Obama gets blamed for Ford laying off auto-workers; but I guess he gets no credit whatsoever for gas prices falling by 24%.

    Auto-workers getting laid off is a worthy topic for discussion. But prefacing it with a warrantless snipe at the US President diminishes your argument from the get-go.
     
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    Gas prices drop and people stop buying small, economical cars. I don't get it. People must have the memory of a goldfish if they don't remember when gas was over 4 bucks a gallon. It's going to be expensive again, and everyone buying big SUVs because gas was cheap for a few months will be trading them in and buying small cars, just like last time gas went up.
     
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    Who blamed Obama? However, this administration is pro-corporate and pro-free trade, and multi-nationals get their cues from what is going on in Washington.
     
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    Same worthless president who advocated for TPP. ford is just the tip f the iceberg
     
  8. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    Maybe due to a better economy?

    I personally see a ton of brand new Jeep Wranglers, Acura MDX, and Ford Escape/Explorer on the road.
     
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    When did cars not made in USA start gain marketshare ? (Doesn't really matter wether it's a Ford,VW or Honda badge)

    Hint, long before Obama was born.

    Is the US economy adding or elimintaing car related jobs ? How many German or Japanese plants did open in the past 20 years ?

    So maybe it's not Obama selling the US out, but Ford/GM/Fiat-US;) and unions failing to adapt to the 21st century.
     
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    Sounds like a bargaining position to me. Either Focus production will be 'saved' or production of something else will begin, subject to the unions kowtowing to the company.
     
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    This is capitalist decision making. If the car can be produced and shipped to it's market cheaper than another location then the capitalist doctrine is to produce the car in the cheaper location (assuming equality of goods produced). You didn't expect capitalism to care about your neighbours job did you? That's up to the "socialist governments" the tea party warns us about.
     
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    yes, down with Unions, that was one reason why hostess died
     
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    We've been over this a few times already. The unions took quite the haircut and were asked to take more while they were enriching the very executives who drove the company into bankruptcy.
     
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    What happens to those jobs if the product doesn't sell? A union worker make a comment to me back in the 80s. "If they cut our pay, who will buy their cars?" Precisely.
     
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    it's ok, these unions either take a cut or the plant moves. at ANY rate the employees are going to take it in the shorts, thanks to TPP more plants should be moving like many did after NAFTA.
     
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    no worries, Liberals are pushing for living wages , might take a few decades before prizes on items start dropping so you can afford a new car on those wages, but hey they can dream.
     
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    I don't think it's much to do with final assembly but I do think it's hard to ignore the costs imposed by unions on the entire manufacturing process. For example, now that component assemblies are built in China or Mexico, the domestics have been able to increase quality and modernize their designs. They seemed frozen in time for many, many years. It's a complex issue with many moving parts but it really does seem like unions are near the nucleus of it all.
     
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    but unions help provide living wages for the workers .
     
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    Sure, you're right, but there is no living wage without a job in the first place. I live in a former GM town. I have neighbors who used to work there. I think there are misconceptions about what a living wage is. Workers started out at a living wage but thanks to union greed it escalated quickly. There were plenty of assembly line workers making near or above 100K per year. Just think how hard it is to achieve that out in the real world even in today's dollars. They were even paid to not work if they were not needed on a shift. I'd see them sitting in the driveway smoking all day while my parents were both at work. Then, they have a pension based on that. It's pure fantasy land. They had it made and blew it with greed.

    You have to wonder how Honda manages to have several factories in the same state that have only grown as GM and Delphi went away. Ford isn't in my backyard but I imagine their challenges are similar.
     
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    We've also been over this plenty of times before. How much do you think prices would need to rise at the country's largest employers to give most low-wage employees a 50% raise?
     
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    because only the largest employers employ people? :rolleyes:
     
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    I came into this thread because I head on the liberal grapevine that someone was talking bad about Our Glorious Emperor King Barack Al-Hussein ibn Obama (May his Captivatingly Kenyan Charisma Help Pave The Way To An Enlightened Age Of Unions And A Nation Governed By Sharia Law).

    Come forth, infidel, before my finger strikes the report button of its own accord! If you admit your crimes and prostrate yourself before your Democrat betters, your death will be mercifully quick.
     
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    using an Obamaphone I bet :p
     
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    We call them the Caliphones these days, but...yes.
     
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    If you recall that case, management kept rewarding themselves each time they got through another bankruptcy. Let's assume that they weren't clowns, and they were stuck in a bad position with the company. They still didn't have any idea how to turn it around, and they were effectively rewarded for that lack of direction. The only favorable outcome for employees that I can think of would have been one if the company was bought out by a healthier company that intended to maintain that manufacturing facility. It did not happen that way.
     

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