Formac Gallery 2010?

TyleRomeo

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hey anyone besides me order one of these puppies?

I have yet to receive mine, supposedly theres a shipping strike that's delaying the order. i ordered mine over 2 weeks ago

Has anyone else here recieved theirs, or heard news from formac when they would be arriving?

tyler
 

Frobozz

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Shipping strike

I know for a fact that the west coast is having a dock worker's strike. Most large shipments come via boat from Asia-- where most LCD displays are made. I would watch the news to see when the labor dispute is solved because it looks like this is out of Formac's control. My girlfriend's company makes watches that are shipped from Hon Kong and are in a holding pattern off the west coast.

About the only thing these shipments can do is possibly go through Alaska? Unless that's also "west cost."

I just got a nice Sony SDM X-82 18.1" LCD. Switched from a Sony 19" 420GS. I have to say this is the best decision I've made in years. If I had the dough, I would have sprung for that Formac 2010. They use the Fujitsu MVA screens which are the best money can buy by my research.
 

TyleRomeo

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Re: Shipping strike

Originally posted by Frobozz
I know for a fact that the west coast is having a dock worker's strike. Most large shipments come via boat from Asia-- where most LCD displays are made. I would watch the news to see when the labor dispute is solved because it looks like this is out of Formac's control. My girlfriend's company makes watches that are shipped from Hon Kong and are in a holding pattern off the west coast.

About the only thing these shipments can do is possibly go through Alaska? Unless that's also "west cost."

I just got a nice Sony SDM X-82 18.1" LCD. Switched from a Sony 19" 420GS. I have to say this is the best decision I've made in years. If I had the dough, I would have sprung for that Formac 2010. They use the Fujitsu MVA screens which are the best money can buy by my research.
thanx man, i'll be on the lookout, yeah i that sony 18.1 is sweet, enjoy it

tyler
 
Even though I am pretty anti-union, I feel the need to defend the union on this one. They are NOT on strike. There has been an ongoing labor dispute for I believe over a year. The company that runs the docks are adding a computerized inventory management system. This will result in many new jobs. Instead of making these jobs available for union members to transfer into, the company wants to fill them with new, non-union, lower paid employees. Basically, they are adding jobs but the jobs are off limits to current employees. The company is accusing the union of illegally, intentionally slowing down work. Their claims have not been proven, so I don't know who is telling the truth there. But, the fact is, the COMPANY chose to lock out all of the employees. The employees did NOT authorize a strike. But, I'm sure the Bush administration will make it look like the union is the party that doesn't care about their damage to the American economy, even though the work stoppage was directly caused by the company. I'm not a popular guy at my job right now. Most of us are anti-union and Bush supporters. I am too most of the time, but I must dissent right now. I haven't had a minute of overtime all week because our company is afraid of running out of parts. They say if the dispute goes on for a few more days we WILL shut down completely. Another of our company's plants, located in California, was forced to send its workers home on Thursday with no word on when production will resume. All my cowokers are saying that the union is taking food out of their children's mouths. I say the company that runs the docks is doing that. Has anyone else here been effected by the Longshoremen's dispute?
 

TyleRomeo

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Originally posted by TimDaddy
Even though I am pretty anti-union, I feel the need to defend the union on this one. They are NOT on strike. There has been an ongoing labor dispute for I believe over a year. The company that runs the docks are adding a computerized inventory management system. This will result in many new jobs. Instead of making these jobs available for union members to transfer into, the company wants to fill them with new, non-union, lower paid employees. Basically, they are adding jobs but the jobs are off limits to current employees. The company is accusing the union of illegally, intentionally slowing down work. Their claims have not been proven, so I don't know who is telling the truth there. But, the fact is, the COMPANY chose to lock out all of the employees. The employees did NOT authorize a strike. But, I'm sure the Bush administration will make it look like the union is the party that doesn't care about their damage to the American economy, even though the work stoppage was directly caused by the company. I'm not a popular guy at my job right now. Most of us are anti-union and Bush supporters. I am too most of the time, but I must dissent right now. I haven't had a minute of overtime all week because our company is afraid of running out of parts. They say if the dispute goes on for a few more days we WILL shut down completely. Another of our company's plants, located in California, was forced to send its workers home on Thursday with no word on when production will resume. All my cowokers are saying that the union is taking food out of their children's mouths. I say the company that runs the docks is doing that. Has anyone else here been effected by the Longshoremen's dispute?
do you know how the talks are going and when a possible strike settlement would take place?

tyler
 

uhlawboi80

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well if it is already negatively affecting industries outside of the shipping/dock industry then this is now falling on Bush's head. he has the power to force them back to work if it is a strike, if it is a lockout he has the power to stop that too if it endangers other industries not involved (or the safety of the country). Make everyone go back to work then FORCE them to negotiate. Oh, and PS, the union needs to get its $h!t together, because if this does in anyway involve the unions rights, they can sue for the lock out and possibly bad faith on the part of the dock comapnies for not making an effort to negotiate and end the dispute(its labor union laws that came about after boulware).

I personally feel bad for factory workers or others being affected by this. Many of them DONT have the ability to keep alot of money aside and this is surely hurting their families. Its wrong for them to suffer over this.
 

TheAnswer

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WORK SLOWDOWN led to LOCKOUT...

Basically, the reason the company locked out these dock workers is because during the month of September the workers started a slow down that resulted in an effective closing of the ports...they went from unloading an average of 30 containers per worker, to 3 containers per worker.

I'm usually pro-union in blue-collar worker cases, because I believe whatever one chooses to do (if it's a job that needs done) they should be able to make a living from it. However, this west coast dockworkers union is living off antiquated rules (a rule meant to keep people from being worked to death actually lifting cargo (by hand) during WWII is now in place only in West Coast ports for people who operate cranes)...resulting in an average of 4 hours of work for every 8 hours of pay. Not to mention these workers average upwards of $80,000 a year not including overtime.

No wonder the company wants to replace a small number of them with computer clerks working 8 hours a day and earning $40K-50K a year.
 

Nipsy

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I think it is fair to pay a higner than average wage here in the Bay Area, where our costs of living are astronomical, however, after watching an indepth news story on this last night, I'm disgusted.

The AVERAGE dock worker at Port of Oakland makes $98,000. The AVERAGE supervisor makes $125,000. These averages include part time workers.

This is an example of Unionized labor getting OUT of hand. These guys are driving forklifts and making thrice what a TEACHER makes, twice what a NURSE makes, and more than most of the dot.commers that blue collar workers were so quick to usher out of the Bay Area.

It makes me wonder why I bothered to go to school and learn. If I can make $125k as a dock supervisor, and get a little exercise walking around the port all day, why not.

Hell, soon it may be $150k...
 

uhlawboi80

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yeah, i watched a special a while back on the "super crane" they have at the docks and even though it isnt a job some moron of the street could do..they DO get paid WAY too much. the unions get greedy and think that trash men in NYC need to be paid 70K or in this case dock workers pulling in 100K. Bush should force them back to work all the same. and like i said b4...if the union has CLAIMS to these jobs they need to go about this another way (though if they really did slow down work like TheAnswer says, the union is up a creek legally) i.e. via the courts. BUT it sounds like if these are IT type jobs a blue collar workers union has no claim to contract these positions..besides, if they require much IT experience, what are the chances the average dock worker could even do them?

Sounds to me like th union just wants a strangle hold on the docks...ALL of the jobs there.
 

TheAnswer

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Re: Slowdown legality

The dockworkers were working without a contract when they started the slowdown...they rejected a continuation of the current contract because the contract specifically outlaws slowdowns...so I'm guessing that a slowdown with no contract is perfectly legal...I'm not positive, though.
 
I don't know what to believe. I've read that the inventory management system will create new jobs, and the unions problem is that they want them. I've read that the new system will eliminate jobs, which makes the unions problem with them quite obvious. The lates article I read said that the company wants to make use of simple technology that is already available by downloading the data into the system, whereas the union wants new workers to be hired to enter the data by hand. If the latter is truly the main cause of the problem, then I take back anything I have said defending the union. I don't like the idea of using technology to displace workers, but not using technology to force a company to hire unneeded new workers is ridiculous.
 

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My formac was made in Germany ;-)

1740 adc, I would have thought the 2010 was too, but maybe not.
 

pgwalsh

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Any word on the Formac monitors? Someone was going to post comments after they received the new monitor. Comments will be apprecaited.

Thanks!
 

TyleRomeo

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well now its mid october and i am still without my gallery 2010, anyone recieve theirs yet? or contacted formac for some explanation for the current delay.

tyler
 

javajedi

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I too am considering a Formac 2010, up from an NEC 18.1, but have called two of their local resellers in my area (Indianapolis) and both dropped them because of their "terrible" (and I quote)customer support.



I really am interested in this product, but do not want to be taken to the cleaners on this one.

I'd like to hear from anyone who DOES have one, if they could share their experiences with the rest of us...


Kevin
 

TyleRomeo

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well as soon as mine comes in from this rediculous CA port strike, i'll let you know. It looks like im the only one at macrumors (not mactumors) to actually order one. And i think a product is supposed to be designed that you dont have to waste your time with customer support. I guess i'll find out when mine comes. i'm hoping for next week.

tyler
 

Rower_CPU

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Originally posted by TyleRomeo
well as soon as mine comes in from this rediculous CA port strike, i'll let you know. It looks like im the only one at macrumors (not mactumors) to actually order one. And i think a product is supposed to be designed that you dont have to waste your time with customer support. I guess i'll find out when mine comes. i'm hoping for next week.

tyler
Two things...

1) It's not a CA port strike, even though some people think CA is the whole West coast.

2) The strike is over, but it will take them approximately two weeks (the amount of time the shipping was delayed) to catch back up.
 

NicoMan

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Well at work i work on a dual-867 connected to 2 Formac 2010 (1 ADC and 1 DVI). They are absolutely superb. They are very bright and contrast is quite good on those. But i have to say that i don't work in graphics/design so i don't know (don't really care ?) if the color reproduction is precise and up to professional standards, though i have heard that on the 1740 they are very reliable.
Funny thing on the ADC is that it also comes with a power supply that you plug on a small socket that is placed on the ADC cable a few centimeters away from the ADC (so the power supply stays underneath the desk if that's where the PMac is). Same thing on the DVI, plus you have a small custom USB cable plugging into a hole next to the power socket. So everything is all very neat under the desk, with only one cable (carrying all signals, for both DVI and ADC) coming at the back of each monitors.
I have had those monitors for about a week and a half, and i am very happy i chose those (i needed good resolutions and preferably an all digital interface, and they offer much better bang for the buck than the apple displays). In England they are about 25% cheaper than the Apple 22" that has a lower resolution...
For me it is a must-have.
Let me know what you think when you get yours.

Nico
 

andrewh

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I also ordered one of these displays. I called Formac yesterday to get an estimate on a shipping date and they said that the first group of displays was being received from the docks this week and I should get mine next week for sure. He said I was on the first list even though I only ordered it on the 14th of Oct, and that I was on his list of people to call to find out if I wanted ADC or DVI. Could be true but it sounded fishy. Apparently the Formac display connector which allows connecting to either with one device isn't quite ready yet. I'm in San Francisco so it shouldn't take long to get here. Sick of waiting. I'll also post my opinion when I get it.
--andrew
 

andrewh

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Gallery 2010 - REVIEW

Just got my Gallery 2010 today. Hooked it up. In a word, it's stunning. It is so incredibly bright I can't believe it. I've been frequently looking at the Apple Cinema Display in the stores as I was so close to buying one of those and I'm pretty sure that this display is brighter, as the specs suggest. The design is very nice and looks good in the middle of my Soundsticks. It does not feel flimsy or cheap as CNET's review of the 17 incher claimed. Feels solid. NO dead pixels.

I'm so glad I bought this display and was nervous about spending $1700 on something without seeing it in person. It was a good gamble. Simply Amazing.

I know most people prefer the widescreen format, but as a graphic designer doing print and web (no video) I like the extra workspace this monitor has over the Cinema. And the $800 price difference is kinda nice too.

--andrew
 

TyleRomeo

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Re: Gallery 2010 - REVIEW

Originally posted by andrewh
Just got my Gallery 2010 today. Hooked it up. In a word, it's stunning. It is so incredibly bright I can't believe it. I've been frequently looking at the Apple Cinema Display in the stores as I was so close to buying one of those and I'm pretty sure that this display is brighter, as the specs suggest. The design is very nice and looks good in the middle of my Soundsticks. It does not feel flimsy or cheap as CNET's review of the 17 incher claimed. Feels solid. NO dead pixels.

I'm so glad I bought this display and was nervous about spending $1700 on something without seeing it in person. It was a good gamble. Simply Amazing.

I know most people prefer the widescreen format, but as a graphic designer doing print and web (no video) I like the extra workspace this monitor has over the Cinema. And the $800 price difference is kinda nice too.

--andrew
thats awesome andrew, did you get the DVI or ADC version of the monitor. I pre-ordered mine on September 18th and they said that they are out of the ADC models for the moment and will get more in a few weeks. They said that if I wanted the DVI version they would give me free 2nd day air for the monitor. I jumped on it becuase I cannot wait any longer for my monitor to arrive. And Dr. bott makes a cable adapter for $35 that gives me the option to plug my gallery into the ADC port. Really I think it makes no difference beucase they are both digital connections. Actually DVI is alot easier to deal with becuase if you want to attach a ADC monitor to a machine without a ADC port then youre looking at carrying around a $150 adapter. But i'll give my review of it once it comes in on Tuesday.

Andrew, what do you think of the 1600x1200 res.? Is it too small for a 20.1 LCD or does everything look in good proportions?

Tyler
 

andrewh

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Re: Re: Gallery 2010 - REVIEW

Originally posted by TyleRomeo


thats awesome andrew, did you get the DVI or ADC version of the monitor. I pre-ordered mine on September 18th and they said that they are out of the ADC models for the moment and will get more in a few weeks. They said that if I wanted the DVI version they would give me free 2nd day air for the monitor. I jumped on it becuase I cannot wait any longer for my monitor to arrive. And Dr. bott makes a cable adapter for $35 that gives me the option to plug my gallery into the ADC port. Really I think it makes no difference beucase they are both digital connections. Actually DVI is alot easier to deal with becuase if you want to attach a ADC monitor to a machine without a ADC port then youre looking at carrying around a $150 adapter. But i'll give my review of it once it comes in on Tuesday.

Andrew, what do you think of the 1600x1200 res.? Is it too small for a 20.1 LCD or does everything look in good proportions?

Tyler
I got the ADC version. You're right about the DVI version in that it gives you a little more flexibility for connecting to other video cards or a PC . But since I will always be using a Mac I'm safe with the ADC. You're fine though, you won't see any difference.

I think the 1600x1200 res is perfect for me. I have been using 21"CRT's for years which are really only about 19" and the extra inch or so seems to make a huge difference. It doesn't seem like it would but it really does. For me the text is nice and crisp and easy to read, but my eyes are really good. I could see some older folks might have some difficulty. Of course, in Jaguar you can change the text sizes in the finder and the antialiasing options, etc.

I researched this purchase for weeks, and to me the only other choice is the Cinema 22" but it's $2499 and two year old technology, with less workspace. Someday I'll get a 23" HD when the prices get better in about two or three years.

Anyway, I think you're gonna love it.
 

Freyr

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DVD display quality?

How well does the Formac 2010 handle displaying live action movies on DVD?
Anyone have an opportunity to compare its performance with Apple screens in this regard?
 

Mr. Anderson

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Re: Gallery 2010 - REVIEW

Originally posted by andrewh
Just got my Gallery 2010 today. Hooked it up. In a word, it's stunning. It is so incredibly bright I can't believe it.
Sounds great, congrats! I'm going to be very interested to see if Apple does anything to revamp its line of LCDs soon - these new monitors from Formac are definitely going to up the ante....I'll be looking at buying a pair of them when I get my new system next year.

D