Fox News Natl. Security Pundit Arrested for Fraud

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    Wayne Simmons, who has appeared more than sixty times on various Fox News shows, billed as a "former CIA operative" and expert on various terrorism and national security issues - has been indicted for lying on Government forms in order to obtain government security clearances.

    In simple terms, Simmons was never a CIA officer or employee.

    He just made the whole thing up. Simmons has been interviewed by Sean Hannity and Neil Cavuto; and passed on increasingly wild conspiracy theories about everything from Valerie Jarret to the Benghazi attack.

    You really have wonder about Fox News in all this. Does that organization really not have in place a process for establishing the credentials of its guests? Or do they simply book people who tell their hosts, and their audience, what they want to hear?

    As a general rule, upon leaving Government service, former CIA officers are required to sign documents agreeing not to publicly speak about their assignments, nor about their association with the Agency. For the very good reason that hostile nations and organizations could use that information to go back and identify known associates of that person as potential spies.

    If someone tells you they were a CIA operative doing deep-cover penetration work - they are either a liar, a criminal, or a traitor. Sometimes all three.

    Fox News, apparently, couldn't figure that out.
     
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    Dan Rather (CBS), Brian Williams (NBC), Judith Miller (NY Times), Jayson Blair (NY Times), Stephen Glass (The New Republic, Rolling Stone, Harper’s, George, The New York Times Magazine and Mother Jones.), Jack Kelley (USA Today), Janet Cooke (The Washington Post), and Johann Hari (The Independent, The Huffington Post, The New York and Los Angeles Times) would be shocked to hear of this.


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    Work on your presentation. Don't simply imply they are all the same. That's a cop out. First acknowledge this guy crossed a line into illegality, and then say the above, while acknowledging that embellishing yourself, plagiarizing, or taking other professional shortcuts is closely related but not illegal. :rolleyes:
     
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    If you prefer to contend one is worse than the other, fine. But they all *lie* in a barrel of unseemliness. That is uncontestable and it is not a cop out.
     
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    Society's rules are based on relativity, with lines established and crossing said line become illegal. Another way to look at it, I would not hold a jay walker to the same standard as a bank robber.
     
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    Apparently the government couldn't figure it out either

     
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    Well that's terrifying.
     
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    Ah, using the ol' SD "there are no grey areas, only black and white" system, eh? Lying about your past government experience, and your days as a CIA operative, and committing fraud to gain access to confidential government areas, is quite a bit different from lying about being shot at while in a helicopter. All liars? Yes. All the same? Not even close.
     
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    As bad as this Wayne Simmons appears, as yet to be tried and presumed innocent, what’s the real skinny behind the potential juicier Dem target in the way of the indicted Dennis Hastert, the longest-running Republican speaker?

    What was the misconduct that Hastert was trying to conceal with an accumulated 3.5 mil in smaller withdrawals to evade detection of his regular payoffs?

    What could be so damning as to be worth so much to pay off?
     
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    Sounds bad, although he has not been tried and convicted.
     
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    That's one of the problems with the CIA: they are not the ideal organization to call up and ask for Job References.

    Security clearances are a bit of a strange thing. They generally are based on negative information. If you write on the form that you have foreign relatives; use recreational drugs, or have been convicted of various crimes - then you generally fail them. But if you just leave that information off the form? Granted, whoever issued the security clearance should have contacted the CIA to confirm Simmons employment there. But sad to say, an awful lot of security clearance-type documentation relies on the applicant being truthful. It would apparently be massively expensive for the Govt. to investigate each and every statement on the forms.
     
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    This is fascinating and should act as a reminder to news producers in the studio, they need to confirm claims and the harder it is to confirm someone's story, the more important it is to do so.

    It's an unfortunate blemish on the business, people working on the edge on risky stories without much support are going to be lumped in with these comfortable knuckleheads.

    This is totally left-field and probably should have it's own thread.

    But..

    From the New York Times, "Woman Says Dennis Hastert Abused Her Brother in High School":

     
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