Free Market Fail

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Tower-Union, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. Tower-Union macrumors 6502

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    I disagree. Clearly our best option is to hide behind rhetorical questions, and create strawmen arguments, right? :rolleyes:
     
  4. codymac macrumors 6502

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    Reason #1 there's a fab facility at Fort Meade.
     
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    the safest products coming from China these days? ... are the illegal fireworks.
     
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    Clearly its better to just barely post in PRSI unless of course you're pointing out other people's rhetorical questions.

    Anyway, I saw a 60 minutes on this over 3 years ago, and I was just listening to an NPR program that went over how the french sold a bunch of weapons with their own kill switch so they couldn't be used against them.

    It's going to be a crazy world when cyberwarfare really takes off.
     
  7. Tower-Union thread starter macrumors 6502

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    THAT is when China will become the next superpower. After the USA is bankrupt an China controls the tech world.
     
  8. CaoCao macrumors 6502a

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    Frack China's power grid, your move
     
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    Actually, the supplier was a U.S. business, which substituted counterfeit computer microchips from China for the real thing.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...010091406468.html?nav=rss_business/industries

    It's also interesting to note that the original article from Wired states the "chips could have been hacked" but never states or otherwise claims that the chips in question actually were (hacked). But the article that OP cited (Business Insider) retooled the wording from the Wired report, claiming that the chips "had been made with a "back-door" and could have been remotely shut down at any time."

    Fox News style sensationalized, clueless reporting fail... :rolleyes:
     
  10. Tower-Union thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Come again?
     
  11. Tower-Union thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Somewhat. . . I agree it has been sensationalized, but it doesn't make the concern that it COULD be accessed remotely any less of an issue.
     
  12. CaoCao macrumors 6502a

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    cyberattack their power grids, try being effective when you have no power
     
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    It will be hilarious when China become the top GDP. Hopefully at that time, i would be living in europe area. :cool:
     
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    Anyone here who has travelled in Asia? Does "same, same but different" sound familiar to you? This situation is a parody of its kind.
     
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    That's what the microwave array in Greenland is for. ;)
     
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    What does this have to do with the free market? The option not to buy the cheapest option is the free market, not a mandate to buy the cheapest product. You have a flawed understanding of what the free market is. Apple is a thriving company because it is competing against cheaper competitors but providing products that consumers are willing to pay more for.

    If you want to argue for national security reasons that these chips should be made in the US, that's a different matter. You haven't made any case against free markets here.
     
  17. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    You're right, he should be rallying against race to the bottom unfiltered capitalism.
     
  18. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    That horse has left the barn, with free trade and the WTO.

    You are going down, and China will win this war, without a shot being fired.

    As a kid, I always thought "Afraid of the Chinese?? How? There aren't enough boats!!"

    But they found a way. ;)
     
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    China needs about 20 years of perpetual growth to truly overtake the USA in terms of economic power overtaking pure military force. Not going to happen with a population that large and stacked. China will continue to rise for at least the next decade, but its own internal problems (just in scale alone) will keep it from "taking over the world" as every chicken little will have us believe. Unless of course they find a way to power their country entirely....oh wait, these are the guys that are actually looking at the long term stability and well being of their country!

    Then again, given this country's attention span, a decade does seem a bit like eternity.
     
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    Really?

    What if they start buying you, with your massive debt load to them?
     
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    MAD still applies to economics as well....

    Our countries are too intertwined economically for either side to do anything stupid. China will never just randomly call in all our debt at once, it will destroy the entire world economy. Serious policy makers understand this, the opportunists rely on the tried and true "scare the uninformed" method to drive the social engineering currently being done in the name of "fiscal responsibility".

    It's amazing that no news organizations want to point out that "fiscal responsibility" relies on fiscal impossibility to get its way.
     
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    Which is another reason we think "why be responsible".
     
  23. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    And who has expressed that sentiment?
     
  24. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Where the hell did you pull that one out of? :rolleyes:
     
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    Read the Wired article that the 2nd-generation article used as it's source. _If_ the chips in question had an actual "back door", then yes -- it would be a real issue. But in this case there was _no_ evidence that they actually _had_ been implanted with a "back door". While it is prudent to be prepared, there's no need to bend the facts/truth in journalism... propagandists resort to those techniques.
     

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