Friends, do you suffer from Town Hall Face?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Thomas Veil, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Amusing photo piece from Newsweek, which defines Town Hall Face as "an unsightly condition resulting from unsanitary health-care politics."

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    Aside from being fodder for mockery, I think the pictures serve as a reminder that those town halls were not collections of friendly, harmless people...contrary to the opinion of one recently-departed member.

    Actually, seeing these again just makes my gut tighten up. This is not the way we should be conducting politics in America. With elections coming up this fall and the tiny but disproportionately influential Tea Party trying to stir the pot, it makes me afraid of what we may see this summer.
     
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    Why is specter in that picture? :D
     
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    Handsome guy? Don't get your point? ;)

    Why are you defending the Tea Party?
     
  4. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Obama has town hall face also, does that make his message necessarily bad? How do you know the pictures you posted weren't of people yelling about wall street/banks screwing us over?

    I defend the Tea Party in this particular instance because I think taking pictures of people expressing their opinions and then ridiculing them for being emotional about an issue is troublesome. I don't necessarily agree with their sentiment, but realize they have a right to express their opinion.
     
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    You would think by now, that it would be common knowledge that with the appropriate photo gear you can catch anybody with an angry, happy, sad, mean, etc. expression. Duh!
     
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    How dare these people get angry with a government which has spent their children's fortunes... plunged them trillions of dollars into debt... bankrupted the entitlement programs they promised would be around forever... continue to grow it's overseas empire.... and has taken just about every opportunity to supplant the Constitution of the United States of America through provably laughable manipulations and redefinitions of the commerce and 'general welfare' clauses.

    How dare they be angry about that!

    Thankfully they just make mad faces most of the time instead of getting violent like many liberal groups do. Thankfully they're a bit more classy than ELF, SEIU, the Weather Underground, and a whole long list of classic liberal violent organizations. Thankfully they stand proudly holding their flags and homemade signs virtually devoid of any statistically relevant levels of violence.

    On a side note, Thomas... you should be afraid... very afraid. The conservative movement, led by the Tea Party and not the Republicans, is going to completely dismantle the Democratic socialist regime in Washington. It's going to be the biggest government shake up since the 'Contract with America.' Thankfully Americans are waking up and getting back to what makes America unique... not entitlements, not massive government, not empires, not the nanny state.
     
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    "Angry" has no place in politics... that's for sure! :)

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    Context please? Did someone come to talk to Obama, and he shouted them down (which is what happened to Democratic congressmen at the town halls)?

    I should be afraid? Sounds like you're describing a really bad scenario for our country. We all should be afraid.

    There's a lot of hyperbole in the rest of what you wrote, reminiscent of...well, someone who's no longer around.

    Have we forgotten so quickly the video footage of last year's town halls? These people weren't complaining about banks, they were shouting down their congressmen, some of them at the behest of FreedomWorks, some of them just because they're deluded. They weren't there to express their opinions; they were there to get hysterical.
     
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    Ain't it the truth...I mean, it's too bad we don't have Bush still in office, 'cause he would never have done any of these heinous...

    ...oh, wait.

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    Does it matter? No. It is pictures of Obama looking like he is shouting and attacking some one.

    Those pictures of Obama prove a point that with modern techology it is easy to get a frame that makes him look bad. That is exactly what your post was.

    your oginal post was nothing more than a troll post to get people up in arms. It was nice to see some people come in and prove out stupid it was by taking Obama and showing how easy it is to get pictures like that.
     
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    Wow. Some people are really down on the government... the government that has been instrumental in maintaining your freedom for over 200 years... educated generations... kept out water clean and our food safe...

    Too bad all you and the other malcontents want to do these days is complain. If the government is so bad maybe you should run for office... be the change you want to see.
     
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    Read into it whatever you want, but the bottom line is that the liberal 'utopia' of redistribution and endless entitlements will never come to pass. Americans are a unique bunch who cling to their freedoms, who value liberty, and shy away from big government. The silent majority has been woken up, and the liberals will be out of power very soon.

    As for the 'anger' and 'hysteria' of the town halls... in my humble opinion... I wouldn't have probably done it that way, but I completely understand the anger and don't necessarily blame them for their actions. These people are rightfully afraid for their country. The free market relies on the ability of businesses to fail in order to work. If companies have a free ticket, a insurance from the government that they will be protected... why not be overly risky? Why not put all of your eggs in one half-destroyed basket? They knew that this is the worst type of corporatism... And for everyone who always claims that conservatives are the ones who support big business... it was hilarious to see liberals show their true colors and be far more supportive of the bailout than conservatives.




    How would having a hawkish christian big-government-liberal in power be any better than a doveish semi-marxist big-government-liberal in this instance?




    I don't disagree with that at all. Everyone gets angry... photos can be taken at the exact right time... big deal. The reason I posted the photos was to demonstrate that fact. The original post was ridiculous, attempting to use the photos of a few people being angry as some sort of dig on the entire Tea Party movement. The photos of Obama proved just how ridiculous it was.



    It's not a qualitative argument, it's a quantitative argument. HOW MUCH government should we have. The founders put a government in place to certain SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED things, the government of today goes far above and beyond these mandates and has engrained itself in every single aspect of our lives. The Tea Party is fighting for less government, constitutional government, responsible government, fiscally stable government, not NO government.

    BTW, many of us are running for office. The rest of us are marching, donating, voting, and you'll be hearing from all of us very soon. ;)
     
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    I've heard "Town Hall Face" directly relates to "O Face." Look back up and tell me it's not true.
     
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    And Dick Cheney as The Penguin . . .
     
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    So funny to watch the righty hypocrisy. During the Bush years, liberals were lambasted as "the angry left". Signs of anger were used as an excuse to dismiss any argument put up since you were "just to angry" to get a straight perspective on the matter.

    Yet now, we've got conservatives in here praising the anger of their constituents.

    During the Bush years, any lack of support for "our president" was deemed near-traitorous. Anyone criticizing the president was automatically dismissed as "wanting the terrorists to win". Criticizing the CinC during a time of war was verboten.

    Yet now we've got conservatives in here praising those who call for the failure of the president.

    During the Bush years we were told that questioning the legitimacy of Bush's anointment to the office by a friendly SCOTUS was just liberal sore-lowerman-ship. Anyone raising the point that Bush was not a legitimate president was laughed at.

    Yet now we've got conservatives in here questioning Obama's birth certificate.

    And on and on...
     
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    Are you suggesting that the democrats are taking the high road in this matter? We trade places every 8-12 years. Now if you are a tea party member you are a dangerous violent domestic terrorist.
     
  18. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Dissent, in general, is a good thing. People should always be suspicious of their government... but when dissent is brought to the surface, the dissenters should be open to the criticism they receive and willing to defend against it. If I would just keep my mouth shut about what I think Obama is doing to this country, I wouldn't have to deal with liberals saying I'm 'crazy', or a 'right wing nut job', or a 'redneck extremist', but it's worth it... If liberals wouldn't have criticized Bush they wouldn't have had to deal with being called anti-american, etc. after 9/11. We should all be willing to dissent when we believe it to be important, but also be willing to accept the consequences associated.

    Just be glad our government allows dissent unlike many others in history... the majority of which were all big-government progressive (often times socialist or communist) states which control their dependent populations with an iron fist. (but that's besides the point)
     
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    The right wing has used the "love it or leave it," "commie lover," "traitor" tactics for so long that it's funny now to hear them proclaim that dissent is a good thing.
     
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    It's equally funny to see that the left wing is no longer interested in dissent, and refuses to criticize Obama over the same mistakes Bush made. Funny that we don't seem to hear daily criticism of the war anymore. Weird. Also strange that Obama has played about twice as much golf in his first year than Bush, and we never hear liberal loudmouths ripping on that either. I find it particularly interesting that liberals were so up in arms (rightfully) about the patriot act, but they gladly voted in someone who voted for it and continues to support it. The list could go on and on. Strange how the tables turn, eh? ;)
     
  21. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    Change the subject. Diversion. Good tactic. :rolleyes:

    Anyway, back to the subject. You've heard of the McCarthy era haven't you?
     
  22. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    How was that changing the topic!?! You said 'X', and I gave the converse side of 'X'. I pointed out that the problem your mentioning, is hardly a unique characteristic of the conservative side of the coin... thereby making your point invalid or at least slightly irrelevant. It couldn't have been less of a diversion if I had tried. Haha, wow.
     
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    Indeed. Love it or leave it if you want the terrorists to win so bad that you would wish failure upon OUR president.

    Absolutely false. Numerous criticisms of Obama abound among the left, as opposed to the right who -- despite their attempts to distance themselves now -- were with Bush on every disastrous policy he enacted. Where were conservative deficit hawks when tax cuts were on the table? Where were the Tea Party when Medicare Part D was created without a cent of it paid for? Where were the small-government hawks when Bush was expanding government?

    You don't hear criticism of the war? Then you aren't looking. Lots of lefties are pissed that Obama has slow-walked the "mess-o-potamia" withdrawl, and are upset that he isn't withdrawing from AfPak.

    There was so much criticism of Obama from the left on HIR legislation that he almost didn't get it through. His strategy of giving away the farm before negotiations even began enraged liberals. His tactical decision to allow the courtship of obviously recalcitrant GOP Senators also dismayed and disappointed many on the left.

    His oil exploration policy has been roundly panned on the left.

    If you haven't noticed, homosexuals are rather upset with Obama these days.

    The left has criticized the lack of teeth in financial reform, and they have criticized the refusal to investigate Bush era crimes (and thereby enshrining those crimes as new presidential powers) ranging from war crimes to warrantless eavesdropping on American citizens.

    Bush was criticized for playing golf because he lied about giving it up as a sacrifice to show solidarity with our soldiers. And because he took more vacation days than even Saint Ronnie of Hollywood did.

    Oh, and conservatives who (rightly) opposed the PATRIOT Act also voted for a guy who supported it. He just failed to get more votes. Not sure what your point is there. That liberals are hypocrites for doing it, but conservatives aren't? That "Real Conservatives" didn't vote for McCain, but "Real Liberals" totally voted for Obama? That you're just trying to score cheap political points?
     
  24. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    ^ Bravo.

    In addition, when I said context matters, I meant it. You guys are claiming anyone can be caught in a moment that makes them look angry and out of control. That's why I emphasized that we've seen video of these people going out of control at town halls. A minute or two of sustained screaming and/or paranoia from a participant is hardly a "frame" taken out of context.

    And I really wish conservatives would stop talking about "constitutional government, responsible government, fiscally stable government", as if liberals didn't value those things as well. It's frankly condescending.
     

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