Funny that how Republican candidates are double standard on human rights

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  1. LovingTeddy macrumors 6502a

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    First of all, the terrorist attack on Brussels is terrible. By no means I am support any terrorists, I think terrosit againest civilians is terrible and terrorist group should be wipe out.

    However, how can someone championing human rights support waterboarding terrorist. Waterboarding is inhumane and certainly voilate universal human right.

    Now if you say it is okay to waterboarding terrosit, how can you guarantee that tomorrow we waterboarding others consider dangers to American (that is person not considered as terrorist, but maybe considered as dangers to American?)

    Waterboarding has proven it does not work effectively and it is against universal human right. If Republicans candidates really think human right is such important, then they should reconsider their opinion about waterboarding.
     
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    human rights are only for unborn infants and white rich American men when it comes conservative republicans it seems sometimes. fetus full human rights children who cares if they have health care education or their parents make enough to support them. bad guys need killed terrorists we do whatever we want to take care of it all in the name of god? of course this is not everyone but it is the general feeling you get from the GOP.
     
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    Right? Funny how Republicans lecturing Obama to tell Castro respecting human rights, yet, today they are all lecturing Obama to allow waterboarding.

    I think whoever suggest waterboarding should get waterboarding once and see the result.
     
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    Regarding the abortion/pro-life debate, their double standards are interesting to observe and some aspects are less easily rationalized than others...

    But I doubt it's a partisan-themed party trick. Let's look at some prominent Democratic supporters, you know - the anti-business socialists (and I'll even spare an obvious hollywood example since that makes a post in its own right): People claim Tim Cook and Steve Jobs are "liberal socialist commie godsends" according to some of the right wing folk out there, but whose actions kinda stray from the sold belief... Well, they might enjoy communist countries but certainly have no qualms about, despite the issues being known for YEARS, the child labor, forced labor, worker suicides, and other human rights issues... and the way to prove there is a choice is very simple.
     
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    You really are living in a bubble.

    Comparing water boarding a known terrorist in order to extract what he knows and save hundreds of lives, to killing innocent citizens because they disagree with your policies - is just imbecilic.
     
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    The fact that you'd justify waterboarding a person and denying them of human rights in the name of 'saving lives' is just as imbecilic, and outright disgusting.

    BL.
     
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    would it be OK to waterboard a white American terrorist that does it in the name of the christian god? Or a suspected terrorist?
     
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    Water boarding is good. Water boarding is right. Water board that detestable enemy and throw some soap in there for cleanliness, for Pete's sake.
     
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    Hahaha, and in the other thread you were crying about Obama and Cuba because Cuba is a "human rights violator".

    Do as I say and not as I do. Typical.
     
  10. LovingTeddy thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Let's put the effectiveness of waterboarding aside..

    You are trying to justify waterboarding by saying if we waterboarding them, we can save millions of lives. So in your mind, life of torrist is worthless and live of others are worth so much. If this is not double standard then I don't know.

    We are putting our worst serial on the trail and sentence them according to the law. This is the root of the law, if you have any respect to the law, then we should treat those terrorist according to the law. If you say you can treat the torriest specially, then how can you guarantee somedays later, we won't do this to minority group? This has happened in the past, where both Canada and Americans set concentration camps for Japanese during WW2. This is terrible mistake we made. If you think we can somehow treat terrorist differently, we can repeat the same mistake again.

    There are republicans calling repressive policy toward Muslim now. It is not far from Muslim concentration camps. Think about it
     
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    How can we claim we're fighting to uphold our morals and values when we so easily dispose of them in times of crisis?
     
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    for sure How can a christen ever justify tourture where did jesus say it was ok? love thy neighbor unless he is bad then torture his butt.
     
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    A great line to recite at the end of the movie in time for the credits to roll.
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    That was a little bit of Gordon Ghekko speech in Wall Street, oriented to the thread topic.
     
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    As a single tear rolls down my cheek...

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    That scenario only works in your imagination. It hasn't been shown to produce accurate information. It's also a violation of the Geneva Convention.
     
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    Who in recent threads or recent months or contiguous states of late is advocating waterboarding?

    Besides FieldingMeldish. ;)
     
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    No, what is imbecilic is the assumption that torture is actually an effective means of getting information. The reality is that people being tortured will say whatever they think the torturer WANTS TO HEAR. This is NOT the same as telling the truth. Instead it is the most horrifying form of confirmation bias.

    And please do not say that we should do it anyway because they deserve it. Not only is this point of view flat out sadistic, but the practice can (and HAS) lead to faulty intelligence!
     
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    do you seriously trust the GOVT to determine who is a "terrorist" or a "suspect" ? careful now, you might be granting the GOVT the power to water board YOU should you ever go support Bundy :eek:
     
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    Something which terrorists are not protected by.
     
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    nope only non terrorists it separates us from the bad guys. if we become the bad guy to stop the bad guy what then?
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    yes I bet they have been watching you closely.
     
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    then we should waterboard ourselves? :p
     
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    The Supreme Court ruled on that in 2006. I don't see why it matters, as torture hasn't been shown to be a reliable source of information anyway.
     
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    Combatants captured on the battlefield is not the same as terrorists and nothing in that fact check suggests otherwise.

    There's an other recent thread explaining that stopping Trump from speaking is not a violation of first amendment rights because it's not the government that's stopping him. It's black letter law.
    Same thing here. The Geneva Conventions only apply during war time. Black letter law.
    If you want to argue that we are in a state of war then that's another matter entirely.
    Be prepared for those consequences though.
     
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    In cases where it doesn't apply US law applies anyway. I'm not going to look up every statute, but whenever the topic comes up, it requires a dishonest interpretation of written language to declare something "not against the law". In other circumstances we're back to the Geneva Convention rules, some of which still apply to detainees that do not belong to a standing army.

    Aside from all of that, there hasn't been any evidence that torture actually elicits usable information. The senate report on cia torture seems to agree with me. I realize this is an interpretation of the report, but I'm a patient guy. If you're that committed to the lie, I'll dig up whatever was released and disseminate that for you.
     

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