future of classic

macfreek57

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someone i know was talking on the phone to someone in the mac department of COX communications (our local cable TV and modem access company). the guy said that he heard that apple was going to eventually integrate classic support into OS X and get rid of the actual OS 9 operating system. this definitely makes since although i don't know how they'll do extensions and control panels. and there's not much future in shipping computers with two operating systems and it wouldn't make since to just abandon classic applications altogether a few years down the road. what do you guys think?
 

menoinjun

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I say give up on os 9 completely ASAP. Forget classic mode. As soon as all of the major apps are good for 10, and 70 percent of the non-major ones are...give up on 9. Maybe keep installing it for another year...but after that goodbye.

-pete
 

teabgs

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I predict that apps will stop being made for classic within 3-4 years. There's now way classic will be abandoned for at least 2 years. Not everyone can make the transition so easily. people that bought a computer right before OSX came out may not want X. Therefore support will still be there for them for a few years. I think in 2 years they will start to REALLY phase out classic. With the major apps only being made for X maybe allowing for X to "look" or "act" like classic if the user would like...though with many differences. Anyway, to cut myself off classic still has a little bit to live. No more then 4 years, if that long.
 

jvaska

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yeah...but apple and the software makers need to get their stuff together and make these things work...

some of us simply can't afford to waste time dealing with computers that don't work properly (or we could just buy a pc)...when things are in the clear...lots of designers will be ready to make the leap...

so...i would hope the plan is for them to support OS 9 for certainly more than a year...maybe two at least...although i'm sure i can't wait that long...hehe...
 

jvaska

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oh yeah...and the other thing...

i don't know much about this OS X and OS 9 running in tandem...sure it works...but at some point soon i would hope it's possible to have a machine that is 100% OS X...no OS 9 anything...i would guess that that would be less problematic...
 

irmongoose

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Re: future of classic

Originally posted by macfreek57
someone i know was talking on the phone to someone in the mac department of COX communications (our local cable TV and modem access company). the guy said that he heard that apple was going to eventually integrate classic support into OS X and get rid of the actual OS 9 operating system. this definitely makes since although i don't know how they'll do extensions and control panels. and there's not much future in shipping computers with two operating systems and it wouldn't make since to just abandon classic applications altogether a few years down the road. what do you guys think?

yeah.. heard that one before... I think here at macrumors.


Well, I guess its the most appropriate way to go, as it is too early to abandon 9 completely, and its also about time they did something to help the transition to X.



irmongoose
 

krossfyter

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osx app compatibility has jumped a giant step forward with the new photoshop 7. os9 wont be around for too much longer. the only ones that will keep it alive are those who for some reason like it over 10.
 

arn

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Re: future of classic

Originally posted by macfreek57
someone i know was talking on the phone to someone in the mac department of COX communications (our local cable TV and modem access company). the guy said that he heard that apple was going to eventually integrate classic support into OS X and get rid of the actual OS 9 operating system. this definitely makes since although i don't know how they'll do extensions and control panels. and there's not much future in shipping computers with two operating systems and it wouldn't make since to just abandon classic applications altogether a few years down the road. what do you guys think?
This doesn't make sense...

Eventually - Mac OS 9 will disappear - not because it is integrated into Mac OS X... but because it will cease to serve a function...

I rarely launch Classic myself... but it's nice on occasion.

I feel Apple will keep Classic functionality in the system however for the forseeable future... it's not a big effort once System 9 stops being updated. Apple still supports 68k software even into Classic. (68k apps are emulated)

arn
 

mymemory

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What makes my affraid of OS X in my case is that I'm a VJ right now and most of the software are made by independed people. Imagine to find that software for OSX later on?

In the pass I have heard that to program for a Mac is more complicated than for a PC (I know nothing about programing in both), so if that is the case... how har is to develop something for OSX? and in that case, if is more simple... are we gonna be suceptible to viruses then?
 

kansaigaijin

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OS9

worrying about OS9 only matters for people who have ols Macs that wont run X, and me when I want to run Blobbo. I don't see any reason why the classic i have now will ever cease to run alongside X, barring some new processor technology. Don't hold you breath, like the guy said there is a lot of life left in the G4!
I gotta wonder about these strangely framed rumours though, "I heard on the phone"
my dad worked for the phone co. he used to say he heard some weird stuff, but he would NEVER tell us what he heard.
 

Ensign Paris

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Running a machine with JUST OSX on it is really better that running Classic on it, even if you have Classic turned off.

OS9 will be out when OSXI is released

Ensign
 

krossfyter

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Re: OS9

Originally posted by kansaigaijin
worrying about OS9 only matters for people who have ols Macs that wont run X, and me when I want to run Blobbo. I don't see any reason why the classic i have now will ever cease to run alongside X, barring some new processor technology. Don't hold you breath, like the guy said there is a lot of life left in the G4!
I gotta wonder about these strangely framed rumours though, "I heard on the phone"
my dad worked for the phone co. he used to say he heard some weird stuff, but he would NEVER tell us what he heard.



weird stuff huh? i wonder if he heard about the chupacabra being bill gates pet.



;)
 

kiwi_the_iwik

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After partitioning my drive, putting OS 9 in 5GB and OS X in 15GB, I've found it to run much smoother. It's also easier to launch into either operating system on startup - considering the only reason that I still have OS 9 is to play the games that haven't been ported/patched to OS X, and to watch TV on my MyTV unit (it's OS X drivers are still being worked on).

As soon as the relevant patches and drivers are released, then so will my interest in OS9.

It's also warming to know that all new releases of game software will be OS X native. WooHoo!
 

keithcobbett

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Classic will dissapear in about a year or two. Apple made major revisions to the OS with Version 7 and 9 which rendered a lot of programs unusable when they were introduced. They will continue to do it an no longer support they older OSes. They have to. They do it with the hardware now and they will do it with OS 9. There will be no need to continue to bundle it with OS X.
 

strider42

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Originally posted by irmongoose
OS X uses Cocoa and Carbon... which I believe are harder to write for than OS 9.... but the result is much much better.



irmongoose
carbon is there only so developers only have to rewrite their current OS 9 code a little bit, say 20% instead of having to rewrite the entire thing for OSX. Apple doesn't really want you developing too much new stuff in carbon because it was never really implemented to allow developers to have their programs work in OS 9 and X (though it will for some programs). They want you to develop in cocoa because its supposed to be much, much faster to develop for than OS 9 or windows. Thats what I've read anyway.
 

King Cobra

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According to an old rumor at macosrumors.com Apple will eventually release Mac OS Classic 9.3 as the last Classic operating system to run without OS X. After that, 9.4 and 9.5 will be available for running on a computer with OS X built in.

I really think that Apple will get all this out of the way anywhere between one and three years after the G5 has been announced (which better be soon). Also, I feel that some of the providers of OS 9 applications should at least make their applications and products Carbon if they refuse to become entirely OS X native (Cocoa).
 

blakespot

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Originally posted by teabgs
I predict that apps will stop being made for classic within 3-4 years. There's now way classic will be abandoned for at least 2 years. Not everyone can make the transition so easily. people that bought a computer right before OSX came out may not want X. Therefore support will still be there for them for a few years. I think in 2 years they will start to REALLY phase out classic. With the major apps only being made for X maybe allowing for X to "look" or "act" like classic if the user would like...though with many differences. Anyway, to cut myself off classic still has a little bit to live. No more then 4 years, if that long.
I believe any future version of pretty much any commercial app will be Carbon. There is no sense in releasing anything else significant as an OS 9-only app.


blakespot
 

blakespot

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Originally posted by irmongoose
OS X uses Cocoa and Carbon... which I believe are harder to write for than OS 9.... but the result is much much better.

irmongoose
Cocoa apps are far easier to write than "OS 9 apps" or Carbon apps. Writing Carbon apps is basically writing an OS 9 app that uses only 2/3 of the previous, OS 9 tool box callset. Well, a wellwritten Carbon app is "aware" of certain OS X realities as well, but that gets into depth of development, etc.


blakespot
 

blakespot

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Originally posted by Ensign Paris
Running a machine with JUST OSX on it is really better that running Classic on it, even if you have Classic turned off.

OS9 will be out when OSXI is released

Ensign

There is no performance penalty to running OS X with Classic turned off. (Where there is a penalty with Classic activated). If you have OS 9 and OS X on the same drive, OS 9's crashes can go towards affecting the stability of your filesystem--buy if they are on separate drives, this effect is much reduced.

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