G20 Protests

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  1. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    So the great(?) G20 meet hits the Excel centre in London next week, with it comes sizeable protests to be held in the City and Canary Wharf (London's key financial districts). I work bang smack in the middle of where the protest will be held in the City and we've all been warned to dress down, stay inside, and carry 2 forms of ID to get in to the office building.

    With what happened to Fred Goodwin's pad earlier this week and the threats that followed, I have to admit, it's slightly worrying what might be coming our way. I'm sure there are plenty of people who genuinely want to peacefully protest. You can be certain there will be a whole bunch of cretins wanting nothing more than to start a riot though.

    Do you think these protests help?
    Will you be taking part?
    Will you be affected (as I will)?
     
  2. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    Sometimes the only way to gauge the degree of outrage is to see how intense the protests are. Many people in the City are now viewed as social parasites, worse even than the chavs the cityites rail against.

    The unfortunate aspect of protests is that innocent people get caught up in them.
     
  3. northy124 macrumors 68020

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    No they don't.
    Ha, yh right.
    Nope not in the slightest.
     
  4. Queso macrumors G4

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    All this will do is fire up Jacqui Smith into trying to inflict even more curbs on our human rights than she's trying already. The 9/11 etc. attacks were a convenient excuse, but what the establishment really fears are these anti-globalisation protests. I fully believe the push for ID cards, increasing surveillance and travel restrictions is targeted at us, not the so-called terrorists.

    However, I think it's great, if for nothing else than we all get to wear jeans to work midweek :)
     
  5. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    I do think that the demonstrations can be effective, but I fear that any good will be lost as the media will focus solely on the actions of the small number who will be attending solely to smash the windows of Starbucks and to generally have a "ruck".

    As for Frederick the Shrederick, I can't condone the actions of 'Bank Bosses Are Criminals', but I can't bring myself to condemn them either. On the afternoon of the attack I heard a spokesman on the radio saying that the attack had left Goodwin "shaken", to which I thought: "He should try walking down the street and he'll be literally shaken (by the neck I would imagine!)"

    As ever, Matt was on hand to sum it all up brilliantly:

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  6. Shivetya macrumors 65816

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    Just like the loss of the olympic torch runs.

    how long are we going to accept these unruly mobs and allow them to cause us to change our lives because of their misbehavior?

    Sorry, lock them up at the first threat of violence or intimidation.
     
  7. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    Absolutely! City Bankers and wall street suits need to be locked up and the keys thrown away. Donald Trump should be put to hard labor in Siberia.

    It's time to stop these people before they wreak even more havoc.
     
  8. Queso macrumors G4

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    This works both ways. When peaceful protest is continually ignored by the global establishment you can't be surprised when it boils over into anger. Maybe some in positions of power should listen to the warning signs of discontent and change their actions before the mob begins to form.
     
  9. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    What good are the protests when the protesters don't have a clue about the ideas to be promulgated at the meeting? And whether or not one agrees with whatever ideas do get put forward, does anybody really believe that these G20 folks aren't trying to figure out solutions to the world's financial problems?

    These G20 folks are scared spitless for the economic well-being of their countries. How will any sort of demonstration be at all helpful to anybody?

    I'd like to have the Maalox concesssion...

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  10. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    You've seen here how much people love to feign outrage over things they have no actual information on, just apply it to peoples money and watch the whole thing get ridiculously out of hand.
     
  11. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    The G20 protestors are a mixed bag with a variety concerns who will be practising their democratic right to protest. They include Stop the War, CND, the Climate Camp, trade unions and religious organisations.

    I wish them every success, but it will be a shame when they're inevitably overshadowed by the anarchists who'll be there solely to cause trouble.
     
  12. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Oh I have no problem with the people who are trying to legitimately show their opinion, its the bandwagoners that just want to bitch without knowledge that always annoy me.
     
  13. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    They are as entitled to protest as the anyone.
     
  14. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Of course they are, and I have no problem with it as long as they are peaceful. They still annoy me. People can annoy me and the world still turns.
     
  15. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    Where were you in '68 'Rat?
     
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    Story time! Im sure he was in some interesting place:)
     
  17. JG271 macrumors 6502a

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    I think the protests do help, in a way. It shows public anger in some form - i was intending to go but it seems like the protests are mostly just a recruitment ground for socialists and communists.

    I won't be affected, and I don't think much else will happen. There will probably be more police than protesters, sadly, in this day and age.

    I don't think the police helped by saying that the protests would have a strong chance of violence.
     
  18. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    "Anarchists, Environmentalists"??

    How about average working Joe, tired of feeding the top of the pyramid, when it produces nothing.

    Police should not be involved in the semantics game that governments love so well.

    Something like the Million Man March would be nice to see, from a personal perspective.
     
  19. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    1968? I was in Austintatious, trying to make sense out of a nonsense world. My problem with my Hippie/protesting friends was over the issue of the SEATO treaty. Most of my gripes were with the HOW of Vietnam, not so much the basic justification. You sign a treaty, you're stuck with it. And knowing from guys who'd just returned, I was disgusted at the media's treatment of the Tet events. We basically destroyed the VC infrastructure, sending them back into Phase I of revolutionary activity. (Ever study Sun Tzu or Mao?) But the political deal with the corrupt regime there was disgusting. You just can't succeed in such an effort when the regime itself is an enemy of its own people.

    I recommend the appendices of Lederer/Burdick's "Our Own Worst Enemy", among their writings of that era. Excellent recap of Uncle Ho's background, the FDR/Truman ideas, etc.

    Lord knows, I have nothing against protest. All I'm saying is that from past such protesting as is planned for the G20 meeting, way too high a percentage of those who show up have little to no understanding of what the G20 folks are trying to do.

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  20. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    What was so nonsense about it? The soixante neufs of France were protesting to allow cohabitation in the dorms! All they wanted was more sex!

    I was six years old that summer and if memory serves me correctly, my b-day present that year was my "Green Beret" beret and machine gun and I did my best to terrorize the neighborhood. Ah, the innocence of kids...

    1968 has become so mythologized that I always find it interesting to hear what people were doing that summer. I've heard a lot of cool stories over the years.

    Do we ever really know what we're protesting against? There was such a fog surrounding 'Nam that it was probably impossible to see the reality of it. The one thing I clearly remember were the nightly body counts on tv. How could anyone support such a war?

    Unemployment brings protesters out of the woodwork. I'll bet there are some doozies of protests later in the summer. Anger rules in times like these.
     
  21. Agathon macrumors 6502a

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    You're missing the point. It is the people at the meeting who have no clue about what to do. Anyone who doesn't accept that fundamental reality has no real grasp of the situation. Remember that we are talking about people and institutions who for years went along with the economic consensus that produced this disaster.

    This is an interesting time to be alive because it is one of those rare occasions when the political elite has run out of ideas and been caught wanting. They have now taken a leap of faith back into a form of Keynesianism, but it isn't clear that it will work, and if they were honest, they would tell you that they are doing it because they can't think of anything else to do.

    Of course they won't admit their cluelessness, because they would then have to resign. They are doing exactly what alpha chimpanzees do when they can no longer physically dominate their challengers - they just pretend that they don't see them.

    Perhaps you have forgotten that before 9/11 there was a substantial protest movement against deregulated transnational finance, its effects on democracy and the environment, and its detachment from economic realities. The proposals of the protesters more or less boiled down to capital controls, international labour and environmental standards and other measures to prevent casino capitalism from screwing up economies and plunging people into poverty (as it had done in Asia in 1998).

    At the time these people were regarded as freaks and weirdoes and people with no grasp of economic realities. The problem is that they turned out to be right. It's incredibly embarrassing for the establishment, since the latter tied their own credibility on the issue to the performance of the economy. Now they are engaged in a ridiculous shuffle away from their former positions, hoping that nobody notices. But the Emperor has no clothes.

    If we had only listened to the protesters in 1999, all this could have been avoided and we would be far long in combating climate change.

    The freaks and hippies were right. The suits and those who followed "common sense" were wrong. Deal with it.

    As far as I am concerned, there are a great many people who deserve a kicking from the anarchists. What we really need is a complete removal of the political class and its replacement by people who actually know what they are doing.
     
  22. edesignuk thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Well, there's not a lot going on up here at the moment. Just a lot of "City" folk wearing jeans!
     
  23. Agathon macrumors 6502a

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    You idiots. All the anarchists will be dressed as bankers. Now you're sunk. ;)
     
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    Hmmmmmm. Been there before…
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    Mind you maybe this time we'll get it right?
     

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