G5 2.0 overrated big time.

Discussion in 'Macintosh Computers' started by mymemory, Nov 2, 2004.

  1. mymemory macrumors 68020


    May 9, 2001
    I just got a new G5 Dual 2.0

    I have a production to do and I went to teh Apple Store and got an standar G5 to be return it in 2 weeks because I am using a 12" PB to work in After Effects and Final Cut Pro.

    My first impression:

    The only speed I see is when opening windows and folders but taht is it. I just made a render in a FCP file I had and there was not such incredible speed as everybody claim this things have, maybe 25% faster than my 1GHz PB.

    I am going to keep testing but everything is way overrated to me... as usual.
  2. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004
    how much ram do you have in there? remember that makes all the difference, not that i have a G5
  3. edesignuk Moderator emeritus


    Mar 25, 2002
    London, England
  4. Jigglelicious macrumors 6502


    Apr 25, 2004
    Try setting the speed of the PM to "maximum" instead of "automatic" under system preferences. That should greatly improve the speed.
  5. MacsRgr8 macrumors 604


    Sep 8, 2002
    The Netherlands

    I hope your future tests prove otherwise!

    IMHO my upgrade from a Dual 1.25 GHz G4 to a Dual 1.8 GHz G5 (both with Radeon 9800 Pro, both with 1.5 GB RAM) was more than 25%. The only real benchmarks I have are gaming benchmarks (many are found over at Barefeats).
    Have you got enough RAM in your G5?
  6. LEgregius macrumors member


    Jun 13, 2003

    That seems really unlikely. I have a 1.25GHz powerbook and does CPU related tasks about 20% faster than my old 1GHz powerbook. Could it be that you just don't have enough ram? 512MB of RAM doing heavy stuff like what you are doing is just not enough, the computer would be swapping like crazy.
  7. jsw Moderator emeritus


    Mar 16, 2004
    Andover, MA
    Hmm. Since you bought it with the intent of returning it, why didn't you get the dual-2.5? And I suppose your thought is that the two-week (10 day actually, right) "rental" was worth $250? The dual-2.0 is faster than your PB. Faster disk, faster bus, faster processors. I'd be amazed if the true difference is only 25%. Still, isn't that worth your $250? An additional 2.5 days worth of processing - or, since you can use both systems, an additional 12.5 days of PB level processing - for the money?
  8. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    Why did you get it? You seem to be saying that you have some special project and that's the only reason you're using it and also why you're not keeping it. It would seem that morals are overrated big time, as well.
  9. cluthz macrumors 68040


    Jun 15, 2004
    IF it has 256 mb (and your powerbook has 768mb or 1280 mb), i can understand why.
    But especially rendering should be atleast 2-3x faster.
  10. mkaake macrumors 65816

    Apr 10, 2003
    you're forgetting - 80% of MR members don't quite know what that word even means, and calls you mean names when you bring it up in a sentance. one of my sigs used to read (this was a real quote from the forums) - yeah, I know it's illegal, but I'm going to do it anyway


    anyway, as said here already, ram seems to be your problem. other than the afformentioned issue with morality.
  11. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    Yes, well, I must have forgotten that. Yes, he does have a RAM problem. Maybe, he should have borrowed some.
  12. jackieonasses macrumors 6502a


    Mar 3, 2004
    the great OKLAHOMA....
    My old single 1.8 was about 50% faster (in garageband) then my new rev b 1ghz powerbook so it HAS to be a RAM problem, or you are just trying to find a reason for hating something.
  13. williamsonrg macrumors 6502

    Sep 8, 2004
    Denver, CO
    So to recap, he needs 1) RAM 2) morals 3) spellcheck and grammar check
  14. Eevee macrumors 6502a


    Aug 10, 2004
    New Haven, CT
  15. stevehaslip macrumors 6502a


    Apr 30, 2004
    The Ocean Floor
    try again, there should be a considerable performance gain. There is for me.
  16. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

    Mr. Anderson

    Nov 1, 2001
    for his credit - english isn't mymemory's first language - so come on people.

    I hope that the speed issues are resolved, but if he's returning the machine in a couple weeks, getting more RAM might not be an option....

  17. TLRedhawke macrumors 6502

    Sep 17, 2004
    Trying to do a full Final Cut render on stock ram is like trying to win a Grand Prix with a showroom car. Just like you'd need to tweak the engine, and add special fuel and whatnot with a car, you need to add ram, and tweak the preferences for optimal performance with a computer. A G5 straight out of the box is a fast machine, but it's suited only for common purposes, as a showroom car is suited only for regular driving.

    As for the morals thing, my store absolutely refuses to take machines back once they've been registered. Open box is one thing, but once you go through that setup procedure, you've incurred an hour or so worth of work on our part to restore it to original condition. For most people, this isn't an issue, as they think long and hard before dropping two or three grand on a new computer. The only ones we get back are IUFUs, which Apple takes care of. I can only hope that the place you bought yours from has the same policy.
  18. monkeydo_jb macrumors 6502

    Apr 17, 2002
    Columbia, MO
    Everytime I see a thread by mymemory, I immediately think masterbation, underage sex
    or (and this one is usually the case) complaining about Apple products.

    It seems that your problem with the latter is that you're never satisfied with anything (sort of like your Location information for your profile :rolleyes: ).

    I concur that more RAM would help, but as bousozoku said, you need to see if you can 'borrow'
    more from Apple.
  19. mymemory thread starter macrumors 68020


    May 9, 2001
    Hey man I love you too.

    And please do not think about me when you are masturbating.

    I got the computer because I have a project to do by Friday and any Apple store around here had the 2.5 available, I would have to sing in a waiting list. Usually when I can I just get the top of the line of what Apple has.

    After Effects is running very fast way more than Final Cut Pro. I had a layer with a full resolution movie and I applied the gussian blur and took 2 secons to complete 10 secs of the animation.

    By the end of December I am going to apply for a dual 2.5. This computer has 512 ram.

    I do not believe in benchmarks, they are all "wonderfull" but the real test drive is the best.

    That is it for now.
  20. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    I don't think you have to worry. It's not likely that anyone on the planet wants to think of you while masterbating. :D

    I suppose you're going to borrow the dual 2.5 from Apple, as well? I think I'll let them know ahead of time, so they'll be ready for you when you return with this one.
  21. mymemory thread starter macrumors 68020


    May 9, 2001
    About not being satisfy...

    Well, I can actually see how Apple is playing tricks here and there to give "everything" but not at once. Every once in a while Apple comes with an incredible product, probably the revision D of something. For example:

    The Powermac 9600: it had 6 PCI ports and it came out when Apple had clones around. The 9600 had the expansions only the G5 can dream of.

    The Powerbook Pismo: You could (yourself) upgrade the ram up to 1GB, the processor, the CD to a Super Drive, 2 bateries slots, PCIMCI slots, S-video and XVGA out put, audio I/O and 2 firewire and usb ports. Plus, the antena of the wireless thing was around the monitor frame (not keyboard frame as the Titanium). The only thing you couldnt upgrade (officially) was the video ram but there is a 64MB PCIMCI card for Apple displays.

    The same thing with each line, except for the iPod I think.

    So, Apple hasn't reach the perfect value/price machine in the G5 line in my opinion.

    On the othet hand, dud, is very hard to move from a country like mine to a country like yours. I went to NYC because some one told me they had a lot of contacts for me and all of them were worthless. Despite NYC is not a mentally healthy place any way. Plus I came out from a very turbulent relationship and I saw myself completly alone in that place + dealing with the coldest side of the US culture. So, is not easy at all, I am 29 and I am in a point where I have to define myself as a person and I was changing culture, no job, no money ( I own $25.000 to my family), no friends at all and no chance to go back to my home country because there is a dictatorship stablished down there. I had to redifine everything in my life, even to redefine love and values and relationships. Friends were not the same, girlfriends neither, I see my family different and not to mention how to place myself in to the picture, the only thing I had the same was my name and birthday (and of course sexuality) but the rest was on hold to be redifine.

    When you are 24 life still a playground, when you are 29 you already past that playground and now you are here again. When you are 24 your girlfriends are 21 and all you want to do is party, when you are 29 your gf are 27 or 28 and they want kids, then you would have to date the 21 to 25 yeras old girls again but... you have been doing that already, so to fit in to the new world is complicated.

    Go to Bluckbusters and rent Don Juan de Marco... that was my life back in Venezulea, passion, romance and things like that, then rent Ethernal Sunshine of an Spotles Mind and then the Butter Fly Effect and then you may have an idea of what my life have been this year in NY.

    Still, Apple is always playing tricks on us.
  22. Chaszmyr macrumors 601


    Aug 9, 2002
    My Dual 2.0 is MUCH faster than my 1ghz AlBook
  23. rdowns macrumors Penryn


    Jul 11, 2003
    Is that available on the iTMS?
  24. mklos macrumors 68000


    Dec 4, 2002
    My house!
    The 512MB of RAM would be your problem. You absolutely CANNOT run any major video editing program with only 512MB of RAM. I'd at least double that 512 and maybe go for 1.5MB of RAM. Then you will see the speed come out. Also, make sure you have the latest version of Mac OS X installed. It may not be updated out of the box.
  25. Hoef macrumors 6502a


    Jul 11, 2004
    Houston, TX..... (keep walking)
    What is PM .... ?

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