gansta cars

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  1. 63dot macrumors 603

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    At one job I work at, I meet guys who work 70-80 hours a week, pile up a ton of cash, and put $30-$50K, or more, into cars that look like this.

    With real estate so low and condos and some small one bedroom houses going for less than $100K with as little as $10K down and great payments lower than any rent, they go for this instead?

    With community college at $12 dollars a unit and state university or a good trade school at under $5,000 a year, they go for this?

    And then to make matters worse, they sell the car for a huge loss, get a new car, and start the process all over again.

    What gives?? I am not a lowrider/hot rod/ricer dude.
     

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  2. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816

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    1. People are dumb.
    2. You can safely bet that someone who would go for a car like this isn't all that bright.
    3. People who aren't that bright tend to have low future time orientation.
    4. People with low future time orientation are the ones most likely to spend $50,000 tricking out a $5,000 car.
    5. People are dumb.
     
  3. 63dot thread starter macrumors 603

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    Most don't go to trade school/college, but then I met a couple of who did and got their bachelor's, or higher, in computer science for one man and mechanical engineering for the other.

    I just don't get this addiction. It's so bad for one he got a MacLaren he mostly tricked out further and that car is worth a pretty nice house in any state. He made so much eventually that college or trade school down the line obviously did not matter or hold any advantage.

    But in every case, whether the car buff is educated or not, they usually do the stupid thing of trading down or selling for a loss. It's not any smarter buying very high end wine and getting absolutely piss-a** drunk off the stuff to the point of blackout. I have seen this, too and it just puzzles me.
     
  4. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    Never understood it myself, but hey everyone has different likes and wants.
     
  5. rhsgolfer33 macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah, me either, and I'm a car person.

    Honestly, for $30k-$50k you could do a whole hell of a lot better on the car front. Not that anyone without a pretty nice job should be spending $30k-$50k on a car anyways.

    There's a 2006 911 Carrera with 23k miles listed for $49,999 in my area right now. You can have your pick of any used Lotus you'd like for around $50k. Plenty of nice used and new BMW's, Mercedes, Infinitis, etc. in that range. But to each their own, I suppose.

    If I wasn't already getting an education, I wouldn't even think about putting that kind of money into a car. Some people just have different and incorrect, IMO, priorities.
     
  6. abijnk macrumors 68040

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    You're making so many assumptions in this thread it's really hard to see the light of reality.

    What if they already have a house? What if they are managing their money such that they can have their cake and eat it too (i.e. saving and spending)?

    Maybe they have a degree? Maybe they don't want to go to school? Maybe they are happy where they are?

    And you're posting this on a mac forum? The only difference between what people on this forum (myself included) do with their money and computers is that you can't drive a computer down the road (I've tried).

    I guess I don't understand why it is your place to decide what they can and cannot spend their money on?

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    You know, the more I think about this, I think an interesting topic to explore is why someone driving this car leads you to make the assumptions that you have. Why have some people turned this into a stereotype synonymous with "gangsta"?

    I met a guy the other day in a parking lot on the strand who had a car that would fit into the modding scene perfectly. It was a bright red Corevette that had been lowered, widened, lengthened, had lambo doors put on, had a big scorpion for a hood ornament, Ferrari style headlamps and tail lamps, after market front and rear bumpers and side body moldings to top it all off. That coupled with the engine mods I'd guess this guy had well over $100k in aftermarket work on this car.

    He was also a 78 year old white guy... Talk about bucking stereotypes.

    I'm not saying there aren't people who place their priorities in a different order than what may be deemed prudent by a majority of society. But I can't help but be struck by how you've seemed to throw all people who are into aftermarket modifications on their cars into the same category of underachievement.
     
  7. bobertoq macrumors 6502a

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    Well if that's what they want to spend their money on, I don't really see what the problem is. That's what they're passionate about and want to spend their money on. Buying a house and what not doesn't interest them.
     
  8. dmr727 macrumors G3

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    Different strokes for different folks. It's entirely possible that a guy that owns a car like that would see all the money I sink into electronics as completely ridiculous.
     
  9. Dagless macrumors Core

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    I don't get it either. I had a friend, and whilst it wasn't a "gangsta" car it was certainly out of his price range. He used up his savings, applied for a loan and borrowed money off his parents for a BMW. Whilst it was a mighty fine car and he paid everyone back - for a year he had virtually no disposable income.
    He sold it a couple of years later and repeated the cycle.

    I wouldn't call it the wisest of moves and I think it's all very daft since he was miserable (couldn't even afford petrol at times). But he (and others) must enjoy it.
     
  10. Synchromesh macrumors 6502a

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    That right there is a moot point at best. If you buy a Porsche with $50K using it as a daily driver is going to cost you a lot of money. A slammed Honda Civic with a chopped roof is still a Honda providing they don't mess with drivetrain components too much. Most of those cars' tuning seems to be concentrated more on show than go anyway. So while you plunked $50K to make it look silly you can still drive it daily without spending too much on fuel, maintenance and insurance. Pretty much same goes for all other expensive cars that you've mentioned such as BMW and Benz. Infiniti will probably be a little cheaper to own but still nowhere close to a used Civic which the car on the picture essentially is.
     
  11. Ttownbeast macrumors 65816

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    Ever rear end someone in front of you because you were lined up just right seeing their rims spinning at the stop light and thought traffic was moving? Or....Ever just see the spinning rims knowing you were stopped and just rear ended the ********er anyway?
     
  12. rhsgolfer33 macrumors 6502a

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    My point was that, personally, I'd rather sink $50k into a car that actually has a fair market value of $50k. While buying a Porsche or modding a Civic are both money losing propositions and a Porsche will cost more in maintenance, you'll probably lose more by modding the Civic. You can put $50k into modding a car and try to sell it the next day and receive less than half of that $50k because its an extreme niche market (and the chances of finding someone who likes the same modifications are slim). If I buy a used Porsche from a private seller for $50k, I can presumably turn around and sell it the next day for around $50k; there is a much larger market for a used Porsche than for most cars with a ton of mods.

    I don't disagree with you, it will definitely cost more to run a Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, etc. on a daily basis.

    I've known a few people who put $30k or so into modding their cars, both for looks and to go fast, none of them saw much of a return on that modding. Its anecdotal, but, IMO, modding is mostly a losing proposition when it comes to return on investment. Then again, so is buying a Porsche, but I think the ROI on a Porsche is a little less poor than on a modded car.

    Then again, if you're buying most cars for ROI, you're ****ed. If you've got the money to throwdown for either a Porsche or mod, its about fun, not ROI.
     
  13. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816

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    Maybe it's different where you live, but around here only two types of people do this to their cars. Eminem-wannabes from the trailer parks that like to hang out in parking lots running their neon (not street legal here), and ghetto black folks that will take a last-generation Caprice Classic, add a lift kit and low profile tires, drop $3000 on audio (90% of which is giant bass speakers), and paint the thing lime green. Apparently, doing this really bumps up your street cred so you can look ultra-cool while driving to the laundromat because you can't afford a washing machine as all your money is tied up in your car.
     
  14. Ttownbeast macrumors 65816

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    even worse is the waste of a perfectly good classy bro-ham caprice
     
  15. Synchromesh macrumors 6502a

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    You are absolutely right, modifying a car is almost always a losing proposition. I totally agree that wasting $50K to mod a $5K car is ridiculous. Just trying to counterpoint that as a daily driver it makes more sense providing the owner keeps it long enough. Of course if one switches car every 2-3 years anyway a car worth $50K *initially* is a much better investment.
     
  16. 63dot thread starter macrumors 603

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    Guilty here.

    I have to admit I have seen some people piss away a lot of money and time with getting far more electronic toys than they can use, find an actual use for, or even find time for.

    Around my parts, it is a gansta thing with the cars, but there may be other areas where there is that 78 year old white dude who gets a lowrider painted lime green with purple neons on it.

    It's not so much condemning the hobby, a very very expensive one, of buying and fixing up upteen times, it's just a very common cultural phenomenon which simply puzzles and amazes me.

    My brother did the same thing with looking ultra gansta while in socal during the height of drive bys and car to car shootings.

    At least, even though I may have bought more computers than is necessary, it won't put my life at risk, but today the cops rounded up 37 crime kingpin leaders in town and that may help the violence problem, much of which is probably mistakenly blamed on the largely young, male lowrider community. But most of the men I know who have these cars worked very hard for them, with a few notable exceptions of some street pharmacists who came by the money much sooner.

    Many times when they catch a dealer, he is smart in that he isn't flashy and does not have a flashy car. Even the tats and the clothing has become low key for the real criminals. There's no logical reason to call attention to yourself in a lowrider in a town that already has too eager, often racially profiling cops, out there stopping these cars. I think it's just a very popular and very expensive hobby which is now starting to cross ethnic, class, and even gender lines.

    There are a few really cool mod shops in town and it's fun to go in there and look around. It's a business that hasn't seen the bite of this recession as much as many other types of business.
     
  17. Shivetya macrumors 65816

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    Because the level of entry for a "nice car" is far far less than a home. Let alone a nice car appeals to them NOW whereas an education is not so cool because, that like, involves discipline and effort.

    Still the issue between house and car does come down a lot to qualifying. Renting becomes a fact of life when you cannot reach that plateau required to land a home loan. Now in the mid 2000s many probably did get that home loan with some ruinous ARM or such.

    As for others who own cars like what you showed, well some people just have money and want to express themselves. In the company I work for (very good auto related company) it is not uncommon to have collector cars around let alone a good number of fixer uppers. Some of the collector cars I would fear driving in traffic because of their value. One custom pickup we had around awhile was probably north of an expensive 7 series in value.



    If they get enjoyment from it I say, let them have fun. It isn't harming me what they drive.
     
  18. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    I agree. That term is pejorative and stereotyping. Rather than calling them gangsta cars, we should call them "physically enhanced," "factory unimpaired," or "special."
     
  19. 63dot thread starter macrumors 603

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    I rather like the physically enhanced moniker! :D

    A car on Viagra and lots of testosterone.

    EDIT: Wait, wow, that's been done. I would of course get the proper street legal upgrades, tint the windows, and gold plate the rims. A couple of handcuffs or furry dice hanging from the rear view would be a nice touch, too.
     

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  20. Ttownbeast macrumors 65816

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    of course a lot of those boneheads who dump 50 grand into a 5 grand junker don't realize that if they ever got pulled over and inspected by the cops that they can be towed and ticketed because they have done a couple bad things:

    Voided any factory warranty protecting them and
    Installed equipment not legal for operating a vehicle on a public roadway.

    But most automotive outlets and shops won't tell you that because it's perfectly legal for them to sell vehicle equipment that could potentially endanger you and/or another member of the public's lives. That's one big reason why people get ticketed for tinted windows that are too dark because there is no law stating you cannot buy it, but there are plenty on the books about using it.
     

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