Gary Johnson 2012 anybody?????

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by halfprep455, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. halfprep455 macrumors regular

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    I doubt that he will even get the Republican nomination but I definitely think this country could use a good Libertarian president right now. But hey at least him running would hopefully shake up the Republican primaries and a debate between him and Palin would be interesting to say the least.

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    Yah I like his views on the issues a whole bunch. I don't think he is a very viable candidate though, he is just too weird and creepy. Look at his issues videos on the main page, they send off the strangest vibes... He needs some new production talent...
     
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    Thats Dwane Johnson. lol. Gary Johnson id the former Governor of New Mexico.
     
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    No, Gary Johnson is the guy who used to draw "The Far Side" comics.
     
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    Thats Gary Larson lol :p
     
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    Lol that's Gary Parsons.

    Jk :p

    Joke ruiner. :p
     
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    I commend you on your oxymoron use.
     
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    Its not really an oxymoron. He does represent the libertarian wing of the Republican party which is why I don't think he will win.
     
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    Mission Statement: OUR America Initiative seeks to broaden the parameters of the public policy debate of current topics in the national arena. We look to enlighten the population about civil liberties, free enterprise, limited government, and traditional American values. It is our aim to increase the amount of discussion and involvement regarding all-important issues.


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    The last thing this country needs is lower taxes in my opinion. We have a historically high debt and historically low taxes. That's a problem, and lowering taxes more is just adding more fuel to the fire. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that one of this guy's biggest things he's campaigning on is reducing the deficit. How? Is he going to cut EVERYTHING the government does? This guy is not a serious candidate. He's just saying what people want to hear.

    I do like his stance on Iraq and Afghanistan, though. Just what I want to hear! ;)
     
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    I doubt she'd make any less of a fool of herself.
     
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    Perhaps the oxymoron was for "good"?
     
  13. halfprep455 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Whats so bad about being a libertarian? Also, not only should the Federal Gov't cut taxes and spending, they NEED to cut taxes and spending! What is so awful about having a federal government that is only there to provide for the common defense of the nation, manage foreign affairs, prevent/resolve conflicts between states, uphold contracts, ensure private property rights, and to ensure the liberty of the people. What I don't understand is why we have let the federal government become so big and invasive.
     
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    Nothing at all. Unfortunately Gary Johnson isn't one.

    Incidentally your signature provides some insight into what is wrong with Libertarians.
     
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    Haa haa haa, for a while there I couldn't figure out if this thread was a remake of word association or 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon.

    Well done. :D
     
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    He's wearing a black mock turtleneck with the sleeves very neatly rolled up. Hmm.



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  17. Macky-Mac, Nov 17, 2010
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    so he's yet another anti gay marriage politician who claims the government shouldn't interfere in the private lives of citizens.....unless they're gays of course?


    And I see he wants to "enlighten the population about.....traditional American values" What do you suppose that means?
     
  18. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    "Good" in the sense of competence, not in the moral sense. There are several problems with libertarianism as an ideology, the first of which is that the term itself is so nebuluos that it can mean whatever you want it to, making it effectively meaningless. When Palin and Maher claim the same ground, what distinction is there? "libertarian" currently means to support the rights of corporations and the wealthy over average Americans, which is basically the ethos that got us to where we are in the first place (e.g., Reaganomics).

    But in a practical sense, libertarianism is unworkable. The idea that you should be free to act as you choose up to the point that it causes me a problem neglects to account for the fact that very little of consequence that you can do fails to affect me. By what criteria do we determine whether my right to spruces supersedes your right to see the mountain, whether you have the right to pollute my view with your pursuit of a proper suntan, whether pedestrian safety should be more important than the motorists desire to do 90mph through the neighborhood?

    When you look behind the conceptual elegance and idealistic rhetoric of libertarianism, there is nothing there to set it apart from liberalism, conservatism, communism, fascism or godwinism. It all ends up being just arbitrary.
     
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    Valid to a certain extent, but that's about it.

    A purely libertarian government would be state sanctioned anarchy, so that is pretty out of the question. However, it would certainly not hurt to sprinkle some libertarian ideals into the mix as opposed to more and more authoritarian policies.

    No reason the federal government should be spending a single penny determining if alcoholic beverages should be allowed to contain caffeine.
     
  20. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I was wondering if that was going to become a topic.
     
  21. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Our current system, through its binary mechanism (your guy or my guy), disenfranchises far too many voices from the political process. Yes, the Natural Law party might be a bit weird, the Greens a bit extreme, but what do we gain by shutting them out, when they might have something of value to contribute to the discussion? We really should sprinkle quite a lot of different stuff into the mix.
    Yeah, well, I would strongly disagree with that notion. Too many big businesses look at short-term profitability first, often to the detriment of everyone.
     
  22. halfprep455 thread starter macrumors regular

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    That is more along the lines of what my point is. A purely libertarian government is not only out of the question it is an oxymoron. What I am saying is that we need to reverse this course of authoritarian statism that we are currently on. It comes from both the right and the left to.
     
  23. Sydde, Nov 17, 2010
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    Can you offer some specifics? What should we reverse, why, and what should we replace it with? Generalities are nothing more than empty talking points.
     
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    We need to recruit the aliens that have been visiting Area 51 to join our side against the evil authoratarian statists who have been conspiring together to lead us down this path of socialism, marxism, fascism and communism (all at the same time!) They could use their ray guns to force the big government politicians to do what the majority of us American really want!

    Seriously, I can't even do a good impression of how silly the tea-party/right-wing fringe sounds.
     

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