Gay conversion therapy?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by EvilQueen, Nov 7, 2013.

  1. EvilQueen macrumors 6502

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    I must have missed this one. All I have is WTH?

    Now some people are challenging a law that New Jersey put in effect in August that bans the practice.
     
  2. ElectronGuru macrumors 65816

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    Not sure what you are asking, but it's common practice. Groups will set up consulting type atmospheres, bring people in with 'confused sexuality', and attempt 'make them straight'.

    Sometimes the person is there hoping to change themselves and sometimes the person is there because of someone else (like parents).
     
  3. AustinIllini macrumors demi-god

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    This is either

    A) completely useless and only works to hide someone's sexuality
    B) something far worse where someone causes severe mental and emotional damage to another and calls it "conversion"

    It's despicable and sad.
     
  4. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    Glad it's banned in my state. This lawsuit will go nowhere.
     
  5. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    it is mostly Christians who think the king James version of the bible (sponsored by a gay king no less) Think it is a choice. They try to use a nasty group such as NARTH to prove it is possible. of course one of the head honcho's was caught with a male escort and the usual crap happened.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/new-jersey-ex-gay-lawsuit-_n_4220811.html
    these parents have ruined their child and want a christian to fix it for them.
    though there is a shift to where they are thinking gays are born that way but they can become xgays and not live a gay lifestyle. So the person is gay but wants to please god and pretends not to be gay. Of course god is fooled by this and thus happy.
     
  6. Shrink macrumors G3

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    It's illegal in Massachusetts.

    Also a violation of the American Psychological Association Code of Professional Ethics.

    Any licensed Psychologist who participates in this moronic practice can be brought before the Board of Registration and can, and most certainly should, lose their license.
     
  7. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    They don't go to professionals they go to christian professional converters. Pray the gay away Just like Michelle bachman's husband was doing.
     
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    Not real™ Christians. Only the false-Christians-that-refuse-to-give-gay-waiters-a-tip-and-leave-nasty-notes do that stuff. So please, let's not have this end up being another(!) Christian bashing thread :)

    On Topic: Obviously it's pretty twisted stuff. It's quite crazy that there are families who have issues with gay family members, but it's not surprising that those "services" are pretty much exclusively based on religion.
     
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    I think good 'ol Marcus needs to try it on himself. If that guy was any more flaming, he'd set the closet on fire.
     
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    I'm curious whether the OP is surprised that it was banned or surprised that it existed or whatever. They didn't provide enough information for me to parse their implication, although I get the impression that they're surprised someone is questioning the ban. I am too.

    The issue of gay conversion therapy has come up on this board. Articles on it sometimes go into detail, but the overall issue presented is that it's marketed as medical treatment, yet it's unfounded medical treatment. Even with an incredibly self-loathing individual who hated the nature of their sexuality, these "therapists" have nothing proving that the individuals who undergo their treatment will emerge as healthy heterosexuals. They have no peer reviewed studies or legitimate practices to implement such a thing, and they don't acknowledge whether the treatment could be psychologically damaging.

    I am willing to acknowledge that they might have trouble gaining funding for what would be a very unpopular study, but without that they have no business marketing this as a legitimate medical procedure. I mention this in case anyone brings up the subject of an individual's choice in the case of a self-loathing individual. Presenting them with a potential medical lie isn't a good solution for their own mental health.
     
  12. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    Your right self-righteous Christians who base their judgement on a misinterpretation of the bible by a homophobe king who was gay himsef.
    The Xgay thing that has been creeping up because some Christians acknowledge that gay people can't change but they can live fake heterosexual lives and fool god.
     
  13. lostngone macrumors demi-god

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    I am okay with this only as long as any group of people that offer this have straight conversion therapy as well.
     
  14. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    Happens in the UK, on our taxes.

    http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-a...-we-allowing-gay-conversion-therapy-on-the-nh
     
  15. NewbieCanada macrumors 68030

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    It's only banned by:

    1. Licensed counsellors (clergy and other quacks are exempt)
    2. Ban only applies to minors

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    Nope. California was the first state. New Jersey the second.Massachusetts is considering a ban, but the bill is still in committee and has been since July

    https://malegislature.gov/Bills/188/House/H154
     
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    A friend of mine in high school was forced to go through this and almost killed himself. He never talked about it but ended up in a mental hospital for a bit. Before hand he was a perfectly nice, perfectly normal guy. (Note: It didn't work, no surprise there, he is now happily married to his husband.)

    Years later I met another friend who went through only a few sessions. He stopped when, no lie, they used electrocution.

    I've read so many horror stories online of people who went through it, being forced to masturbate in front of their councilor or other guys, smelling jars of ****, being mentally abused, being subject to erection tests and even one company who kidnaps your kid and hauls them off to the dominican republic boarding school filled with forced labor. (Parents who do that should be sentenced for child abuse in my opinion and it should be illegal to transfer a child across the border for such purposes!)

    I can't find the interview session with the kids but here is an article about that school: http://www.exgaywatch.com/2012/02/documentary-alleges-gay-teen-kidnapped-sent-to-evangelical-boot-camp/
     
  17. Shrink macrumors G3

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    Apologies for my incorrect information.:eek:

    Thanks for the correction....:D
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Reed#Early_life

    In 1956, Reed, who was bisexual[13] and still a teenager, received electroconvulsive therapy, which was intended to cure his bisexuality; he wrote about the experience in his 1974 song, "Kill Your Sons". In an interview, Reed said of the experience:

    "They put the thing down your throat so you don't swallow your tongue, and they put electrodes on your head. That's what was recommended in Rockland State Hospital to discourage homosexual feelings. The effect is that you lose your memory and become a vegetable. You can't read a book because you get to page 17 and have to go right back to page one again."

    —Lou Reed quoted in Please Kill Me (1996)


    People (and so-called "parents") who engage in this kind of barbarism need to be very, very afraid. These people belong in jail. And if we can't manage that, they need to be bankrupted through lawsuits from their victims.
     
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    I'm not so sure about that. If that were the case we wouldn't have two couples suing to try and overturn the law based on religious discrimination. I'm pretty sure clergy are not allowed to do this either, but oddly enough I can't find the actual bill anywhere on the internet, I can't even find the official name for it to properly research it. Anytime I try to google it all I get are news articles about current lawsuits.

    That's fine, adults should be free to make their own stupid choices.

    EDIT: Seems you may be right...
     
  20. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Kind of a bizarre Burgessian irony in the concept of gay conversion. The proponents of conversion seem to be of the opinion that sexual preference is a matter of choice. Og allegedly gave us "free will", that we might prove our value by making the "correct" choices (i.e., you should choose to not be gay, because that is what Og wants). And, yet, they offer conversion (aversion) "therapy" so that you will no longer have full "free will" to make the choice they think is undesirable. It appears to be a deeply conflicted logic.

    Meanwhile, we have the bisexuals (as previously noted), who really are at liberty to choose who to dally with. Yet, can one choose love? Can one literally choose one's life partner, or does biochemistry and stuff regulate one's yearnings?

    Seems to me we are allowing ourselves to be pushed into this sex/love box, where one equals the other. What if the person I love the most is not the same person that I want to be diddling (cf. Gore Vidal)? There is quite a lit of complexity to human relationships, we ought not be simplifying it in this way. I mean, after all, we are ultimately all in this thing together.

    In other words, what if it is a choice? So what? If you choose a Maserati and I choose a bicycle, does that make one of us somehow better than the other?
     
  21. smithrh macrumors 68020

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    Minor nit:

    Electrocution is when you die by electric shock. I am very much hoping this wasn't the case here.
     
  22. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    I am surprised to see this kind of 'therapy' still going on. You'd think after Heath (1972; PDF link here) that this kind of nonsense would have stopped, particularly since homosexuality was dropped long ago from the APA's DSM (the classification scheme for mental disorders).
     
  23. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    If Christians believe the world is 6000 years old Jesus rode a dinosaur or the world is flat and on and on and on. I always say if god does not like homosexuality why did he create 1500 different animal species that practice it?
     
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    We both make the same mistake when it comes to religion: We try to subject it to reason and common sense. Especially in the last day or two on here I realized that religion is just too far away from me to remotely grasp the extent of willingness required to accept whatever you're told to believe in in order to become a "believer" (and judge others accordingly).
     

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