Gay Icon Larry Brinkin Guilty of Felony Child Porn Charges

dime21

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Gay activist and child porn aficionado Larry Brinkin worked for the city of San Francisco for 22 years. He just pleaded on felony child porn charges. No surprise there. But here's the twist: he'll likely continue to receive his government retirement pension from the city. The San Francisco government pension has a moral turpitude clause, but felony child porn charges apparently do not fall within the city's definition of moral turpitude. Huh?? :eek:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2014/02/03/san-francisco-activist-likely-to-recieve-city-pension-despite-felony-child-porn-conviction-n1788977

Larry Brinkin, who worked at the Human Rights Commission for the City of San Francisco for 22 years and was a prominent homosexual rights activist for more than 40 years, pleaded guilty to felony child pornography possession last week.

Brinkin is expected to serve six months in jail, five years of probation, and register as a sex offender for the rest of his life when he is sentenced on Mar. 5. But he likely will get to keep his city pension because possessing and viewing child porn apparently is not considered a crime of “moral turpitude” under San Francisco’s retirement/pension rules.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/san-francisco-s-gay-icon-larry-brinkin-guilty-felony-child-porn

Brinkin was arrested after he was found to be in possession of images of very young children engaged in sex acts with adults. The emails were reported to authorities by America Online.
Brinkin was a noted gay rights crusader in San Francisco, and served on the city's Human Rights Commission for over 20 years. A "Larry Brinkin Week" was celebrated following his retirement in 2010.

It goes without saying that the city should not be on the hook to pay the pension for this pervert.
 

chrono1081

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Agreed, wasteland.

OP is equating homosexuality to pedophilia. They're not anymore related than heterosexuality and pedophilia.
 

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What the hell is this supposed to mean???

Wasteland, please.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume since the topic of the thread is how he still gets to keep his government pension that the OP was simply not surprised that he'd plea guilty to get a lesser sentence, I doubt 6 months in jail plus probation is the normal sentence for something like this without a plea deal. If the OP was equating being gay with pedophillia then yeah something is wrong.
 

thekev

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What the hell is this supposed to mean???

Wasteland, please.
He likes to proclaim himself a conservative to justify his trolling. There's nothing amusing about a person who victimizes children, but it's completely idiotic to suggest that as an agenda due to affiliation. It wouldn't be any different if I looked up a list of convicted felons who happened to be Republican politicians and used that to extrapolate some kind of agenda. When someone speaks like that, it's not possible to reason with them.

I did find something through his links though. He obviously didn't read them, because the moral turpitude clause is explained via another link. It's not the best naming convention ever, but here's the explanation.

“Moral turpitude” is a term that refers to the conditions and motivations under which a crime was committed, not an action defined in the wording of a law. Courts have made varying determinations of what constitutes moral turpitude in the commission of other crimes, but in general it means that a crime was committed with depravity or moral corruption. As applied to crimes that might be committed in connection with employment with the City, moral turpitude often involves some kind of theft of public property, including materials and services.
It's not 100% clear, but again the OP basically ignored whatever didn't fit his agenda.
 

vega07

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Also not a surprise dime21 would start such a thread.

:D

Sorry, gotta get my post in before the shred. :p
 

Happybunny

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Gay activist and child porn aficionado Larry Brinkin worked for the city of San Francisco for 22 years. He just pleaded on felony child porn charges. No surprise there.
With that kind of logic why not say " MALE " no surprise there.:eek:

Trying to link being gay to pedophilia is just not a proven theory.
 

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Always best to look at some primary sources.

This is the ballot :

Proposition C: "Shall the City prohibit San Francisco Employees' Retirement System members who are convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude in connection with their employment from receiving any retirement benefits funded with employer contributions?"

http://ballotpedia.org/San_Francisco_Criminals_Forfeit_Retirement,_Proposition_C_(June_2008)


I don't see how this is " in connection with their employment ".
 

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Cmon guys, lets not jump to making these accusations you are making. The "no surprise there" comment could happen to deal with his past of child porn headlines.

June 2012- Arrested for child porn
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/25/larry-brinkin-arrested_n_1625640.html

September 2012
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2012/09/larry_brinkin_arrested_again.php

So this is the 3rd time he has been arrested for child porn. Im not quite sure how everyone jumped to such conclusions about the OPs words because I didn't see him connecting homosexuality and pedophilia.
 

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Excerpts from the text of Proposition C [bolding mine] ...

Proposition C

Forfeiture of Retirement Benefits for Conviction of a Crime Involving Moral Turpitude in Connection with City Employment

City of San Francisco

Majority Approval Required
Pass: 91,924 / 58.07% Yes votes ...... 66,379 / 41.93% No votes

Shall the City prohibit San Francisco Employees' Retirement System members who are convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude in connection with their employment from receiving any retirement benefits funded with employer contributions?

This prohibition would apply to employees regardless of whether they retired from service, retired as a result of a disability, or were receiving a vesting allowance.


Arguments For Proposition C

Voters Oppose Funding Dishonest Acts!
For a near half century, the City's Charter has upheld the will of the voters by prohibiting City employees from receiving any taxpayer-funded retirement benefits if they were criminally convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude committed against the City in the course of their employment. Past examples of such crimes include stealing books from our public libraries, and stealing parking meter revenue that should have gone to improving our MUNI system.

Despite the voters' intent, a recent court ruling stated that this provision applies only to a certain classification of retirements, not all retirements.

Proposition C will reaffirm the voters' intent, by responding directly to this poorly crafted judicial opinion by prohibiting any and all City employees convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude against the City, during the course of their employment, from receiving any taxpayer contributions to their pensions upon application for their retirement.

All but one member of the Board of Supervisors voted in favor of Proposition C, and the San Francisco Employees' Retirement System Board unanimously approved the measure.

Please join me in reaffirming the will of the voters by voting YES on C.

Sean R. Elsbernd
Member, San Francisco Board of Supervisors
Member, San Francisco Employee Retirement System Board*

http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/06/03/ca/sf/meas/C/
So there's the answer as far as I can see. His crime was not committed during his employment and his crime was not "against the City".

That would help explain the reasoning behind keeping his pension.
 

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I don't think the OP is equating homosexuality to pedophilia although it's not as uncommon as many of you seem to think. I think the OP is saying it wasn't a surprise that the tool Larry Brinkin pled it out. This stuff has been in the news since early last year but very very quietly. What else was he going to do? Deny it and face a long term or life?

Priests abusing children gets a lot of attention by the liberal media but when one of their own gets caught, it's very quite. And when someone makes a post about it on here then "off to the wasteland" or worse and all the bashing and hate and name calling starts. Not dealing with the subject at hand. Let's just bash the OP for speaking of a liberal that did something bad. If someone like Bill O'Rilely got caught....OMG....you all would be having a post orgy in here.
 

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I don't think the OP is equating homosexuality to pedophilia although it's not as uncommon as many of you seem to think. I think the OP is saying it wasn't a surprise that the tool Larry Brinkin pled it out. This stuff has been in the news since early last year but very very quietly. What else was he going to do? Deny it and face a long term or life?

Priests abusing children gets a lot of attention by the liberal media but when one of their own gets caught, it's very quite. And when someone makes a post about it on here then "off to the wasteland" or worse and all the bashing and hate and name calling starts. Not dealing with the subject at hand. Let's just bash the OP for speaking of a liberal that did something bad. If someone like Bill O'Rilely got caught....OMG....you all would be having a post orgy in here.
So he made sure to point out that it was a "gay activist" for no reason, right?
 

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I don't think the OP is equating homosexuality to pedophilia although it's not as uncommon as many of you seem to think. I think the OP is saying it wasn't a surprise that the tool Larry Brinkin pled it out. This stuff has been in the news since early last year but very very quietly. What else was he going to do? Deny it and face a long term or life?

Priests abusing children gets a lot of attention by the liberal media but when one of their own gets caught, it's very quite. And when someone makes a post about it on here then "off to the wasteland" or worse and all the bashing and hate and name calling starts. Not dealing with the subject at hand. Let's just bash the OP for speaking of a liberal that did something bad. If someone like Bill O'Rilely got caught....OMG....you all would be having a post orgy in here.

The OP's key question appears to be this ...

The San Francisco government pension has a moral turpitude clause, but felony child porn charges apparently do not fall within the city's definition of moral turpitude. Huh?? :eek:
But as pointed out, the moral turpitude is defined as crimes "committed against the City in the course of their employment."

Pretty simple stuff.

Hopefully that resolves the OP's Huh?? and :eek:.
 

EvilQueen

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So he made sure to point out that it was a "gay activist" for no reason, right?
Was he not?

Oh I forgot where I am. Here it is IMPOSSIBLE for that to be true. Impossible for a gay person to also be a pedophile. I mean unless it's a priest. :rolleyes: But since they are priests we aren't allowed to say they are gay either.

Lord knows I am not saying all gay men are pedophiles. But it does happen. I know you would like to keep that a secret though. If it were Bill O then the post on here would be "bible thumpin, conservative talk show host gets caught ........"
 

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I don't think the OP is equating homosexuality to pedophilia although it's not as uncommon as many of you seem to think. I think the OP is saying it wasn't a surprise that the tool Larry Brinkin pled it out. This stuff has been in the news since early last year but very very quietly. What else was he going to do? Deny it and face a long term or life?

Priests abusing children gets a lot of attention by the liberal media but when one of their own gets caught, it's very quite. And when someone makes a post about it on here then "off to the wasteland" or worse and all the bashing and hate and name calling starts. Not dealing with the subject at hand. Let's just bash the OP for speaking of a liberal that did something bad. If someone like Bill O'Rilely got caught....OMG....you all would be having a post orgy in here.

Why am I not surprised you have to turn everything into a political left or right issue? Grow up.

Dudes a pervert who's been arrested for child porn before. It doesn't matter if he's gay or straight, male or female, liberal or conservative, black, white, or asian. A pervert is a pervert, and that has nothing to do with any other demographic group he belongs to.

Trying to turn this into a political issue is just childish trolling. How does that help the discussion?
 

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Was he not?

Oh I forgot where I am. Here it is IMPOSSIBLE for that to be true. Impossible for a gay person to also be a pedophile. I mean unless it's a priest. :rolleyes: But since they are priests we aren't allowed to say they are gay either.

Lord knows I am not saying all gay men are pedophiles. But it does happen. I know you would like to keep that a secret though. If it were Bill O then the post on here would be "bible thumpin, conservative talk show host gets caught ........"
He was also white, male, bald, all of which are also irrelevant to this. Also, the idea that a conservative would get called a conservative is because that's the party that throws out the "family values" line. Same with "bible thumper".
 

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Why am I not surprised you have to turn everything into a political left or right issue? Grow up.

Dudes a pervert who's been arrested for child porn before. It doesn't matter if he's gay or straight, male or female, liberal or conservative, black, white, or asian. A pervert is a pervert, and that has nothing to do with any other demographic group he belongs to.

Trying to turn this into a political issue is just childish trolling. How does that help the discussion?
I am not turning it into anything. It's how it is. Rather than jump on why he'll still get paid, most of the posts have been attacking the OP over something the OP did not say.

Being who he is opens it to politics. It's why it's in this forum to start with. Theresa Sparks, executive director of the Human Rights Commission, said "he's the epitome of human rights activist -- this is man who coined phrases we use in our daily language."

A liberal, gay, human rights activist molesting young children.

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He was also white, male, bald, all of which are also irrelevant to this. Also, the idea that a conservative would get called a conservative is because that's the party that throws out the "family values" line. Same with "bible thumper".
Kind of like human rights activist right?
 

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I am not turning it into anything. It's how it is. Rather than jump on why he'll still get paid, most of the posts have been attacking the OP over something the OP did not say.

Being who he is opens it to politics. It's why it's in this forum to start with. Theresa Sparks, executive director of the Human Rights Commission, said "he's the epitome of human rights activist -- this is man who coined phrases we use in our daily language."

A liberal, gay, human rights activist molesting young children.

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Kind of like human rights activist right?
And all of those things are irrelevant. But there isn't a stereotype that human rights activists are child molesters. Seriously, I don't see why people are defending the OP. He knew what he was doing, and he should be criticized for it.
 

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I am not turning it into anything. It's how it is. Rather than jump on why he'll still get paid, most of the posts have been attacking the OP over something the OP did not say.

Being who he is opens it to politics. It's why it's in this forum to start with. Theresa Sparks, executive director of the Human Rights Commission, said "he's the epitome of human rights activist -- this is man who coined phrases we use in our daily language."

A liberal, gay, human rights activist molesting young children.
This is laughable. You could find thousands of examples of people from any religion, race, or political party molesting young children too. But that's irrelevant to the discussion whatsoever.

Yet you continue to try to divide and make it a political issue. Then you claimed you aren't trying to politicize it, but then you do again two lines later in your post.

I mean, you said it yourself... "Rather than jump on why he'll still get paid, most of the posts have been attacking the OP over something the OP did not say." The OP implied bigotry which is why he got called out on it. He can defend himself if he'd like.

How about you follow your own advice, and instead of attempting to politicize this, have a legitimate critical discussion about the laws in San Francisco and why a convicted felon would be allowed to keep their pension?

Not everything has to be a left or right political issue. No wonder this country is going to **** if everyone continues to think that way and has to spin and politicize every story so their party can take the "moral high ground". Absolutely pathetic.
 

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The pension is definitely a point of contention.

However, as much as taxpayers may not want to pay his pension, if the clause clearly called out a requirement of the act being "against the city," then there's not really much that can be done. He earned his pension, end of story. As much of a s***bag he may be, it's his money.

This is similar to my former mayor, Bob Filner, who pled guilty to felony false imprisonment, and two misdemeanors, related to sexual harassment charges. (On a side note, I still can't believe not a single PRSI thread showed up about this, for as much news coverage as it was getting.) Filner only lost the portion of his pension that would have been earned from the time of the first sexual harassment allegation, but was allowed to keep what he had earned for his first few months of being mayor of San Diego, plus what was earned during his ten terms in congress.

Again, a piece of **** human being, but he still earned his pension, regardless of his felony conviction.
 

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With that kind of logic why not say " MALE " no surprise there.:eek:

Trying to link being gay to pedophilia is just not a proven theory.
Where did he do that? :confused:

Seems to me he linked being a child porn aficionado to pedophilia:

Gay activist and child porn aficionado Larry Brinkin worked for the city of San Francisco for 22 years. He just pleaded on felony child porn charges. No surprise there
 

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A liberal, gay, human rights activist molesting young children.
This is inaccurate. Citation needed, or clarification.

Brinkin pleaded guilty to possession of child porn. He was never arrested or charged with engaging in child molestation (or any of its variants: sexual congress with a minor, etc.), as far as I can tell.

Child porn is deplorable enough. You don't have to make things up.
 

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I find it sad that a public figure like this damages the image of gays. Rational people know that gay does not equal pedophilia in any way but it seems to feed a certain crowd, at least when you follow the links that the OP provided, quite crazy stuff going on there... (not that I didn't know that I'd already be "burning in hell for all of my sins" ;) )
 

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I don't think the OP is equating homosexuality to pedophilia although it's not as uncommon as many of you seem to think. I think the OP is saying it wasn't a surprise that the tool Larry Brinkin pled it out. This stuff has been in the news since early last year but very very quietly. What else was he going to do? Deny it and face a long term or life?

Priests abusing children gets a lot of attention by the liberal media but when one of their own gets caught, it's very quite. And when someone makes a post about it on here then "off to the wasteland" or worse and all the bashing and hate and name calling starts. Not dealing with the subject at hand. Let's just bash the OP for speaking of a liberal that did something bad. If someone like Bill O'Rilely got caught....OMG....you all would be having a post orgy in here.
For what it's worth, it wasn't the Priests abusing the children that got a lot of attention, it was the decades long cover-ups of multiple abusers by the Catholic Church that got a lot of attention. And rightly so.

If GLAAD or HRC covered up this guys' crimes and allowed him continued access to children you would be able to compare. Until then.....

And seriously, gay icon? :rolleyes:

I think Dime saw "gay rights activist" and "child porn" in the same headline and got a little too excited.