Gay marriage double-banned in Indiana

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  1. dscuber9000 macrumors 6502a

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    With all these threads about progress in states over gay marriage or civil unions, I thought it would be appropriate to update you all on my state's progress in equality: We just outlawed gay marriage and civil unions, even though they are both already illegal in Indiana.

    In a 70-26 vote, the Republican-heavy House voted in favor of a bill banning gay marriage. Apparently this is a protective layer in case federal courts ever decide that banning gay marriage is unconstitutional... even though that decision would of course overturn this law as well. :rolleyes:
     
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    No offense, but Indiana is not home to the brightest people on the planet. Send us your homos, we'll take them.
     
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    So it's not quite like you interpret it. It looks like there was an existing law on the books. The new bill is a state constitutional amendment, which will offer the law putative protection against being overturned by the state supreme court. Essentially they're trying to stay ahead of what's happening here in California by reducing the number of courts in which their law can be challenged.

    This will offer no definitive protection against federal courts, much less the US Supreme Court, should they find that the amendment itself is in violation of the US Constitution. It isn't as if you can just add "no backsies" to prevent that.
     
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    Thanks for that. I really liked this reader comment from a Tennessee woman:
    I commend the leaders of Indiana for standing up for what is right. This is a sad topic for America not because some people feel they are being denied their rights... but because our great advances in science have hurt so many. True there have been gays as old as recorded history... but not in the numbers we are seeing today. The same goes for diabetes, cancer and most other diseases. The problem is the chemicals we are polluting the environment with... There are pseudo estrogens in plastic two liter bottles as well as birth control hormones entering our water table. While we need to have compassion and understanding we also need to be drawing the attention of the medical community to this and encouraging treatment.... which sadly will only pollute the environment further. In addition, these same chemicals are also causing problems for some in achieving conception. Twenty years ago there was a world study done... because the rates were so alarming back then even... that scientists around the world feared it could be the end of the human race. These trends have got to change.
     
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    I got the story from my school paper, which made no mention of a state amendment, so my apologies on that.

    Still, this reminds me of that quote from Animal House where the dean declares that the frat is now on "double secret probation." :D

    And yes, Indiana really, really sucks.
     
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    Even if an increased number of gays were the result of environmental pollution, that still doesn't explain why they should be denied rights.

    Nice hair-brained theory though. :rolleyes:
     
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    WTF is she saying? Gays cause cancer, or gays were created by advanced science? :confused:

    (And if gays were caused by pollution, the obvious answer is to ban gay marriage, right? We would never want to stop polluting or anything. :rolleyes:)

    She is eloquent for a Tennessean, though. I'll give her that. :D
     
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    Like I said, Indiana and Tennessee are obviously not the the country's brain trusts. Sad and scary. As mentioned before, please send all Indiana's homos to Illinois, especially Chicago. We like gay people here and realize that they have value just as much as anyone else. Please, leave Indiana and join us here. You'll be much happier.
     
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    The *supposed* increase in gays is created by chemicals in the environment and pollution. If Tea Party agenda gets passed, the of proliferation gays will be even more dramatic.

    Plus, she says that gays live extraordinarily long lives. Some are as old as recorded history. That would add to the increase in numbers too.
     
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    They are flailing because they know the implementation of gay marriage in the US is inevitable. I feel bad for gay people living in Indiana, but it's only a matter of time now. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
     
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    LOL. Well at least we now know that any gay-hating American Theocracy would at least be pollution free :D

    As for Indiana, well I'm glad they have the stability and lack of real issues in the state that their legislators can concentrate on what's really important, like making things already illegal even more illegal :rolleyes:
     
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    The Six Million Dollar Gay Man?

    "Gentlemen, we can build him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic gay man. Gayer than before. Gayer... stronger... faster..."
     
  17. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    It's really just a gesture, nothing more. Everyone on both sides knows that the issue will almost certainly end up in the Federal courts (likely the SCOTUS eventually) at some point, and their decision will either confirm or sweep away all the state regulation.

    More wailing and gnashing of teethy by angry Bible-thumpers.
     
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    Let's hope the damage they do in the meantime is minimal.
     
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    Indiana Gay Activist: Vote Against Marriage Ban or Else

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/02/17/Indiana_Uncovering_Dirt_to_Stop_Marriage_Ban/
     
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    Hmm. I'll cop to schadenfreude when somebody's dirty laundry spills out on its own, but I'm not sure I can get behind this, particularly when there's no poetic justice to it. If you're an anti-gay crusader caught with some hot young hired stud "carrying your luggage" that's one thing, but affairs (not really anybody's business) and kiddie porn (why wasn't this reported regardless), well that's just good old-fashioned blackmail.

    It is interesting, though, that a blanket threat (which might not even technically be against the law, and wouldn't be enforced in any case since someone would have to step forward and claim to be personally harmed) can be enough to tip the scales.
     
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    I agree, I can't applaud muckraking, even though I have zero sympathy with politicians when skeletons start marching out of their closets.

    Of course, if such threats bear fruit it would imply that there are enough closeted conservatives in the legislature to influence events. Which would be interesting.
     
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    I'm not going to go looking for a cite right now, and it may have been a "Psychology Today" level of science reporting anyway, but I recall reading an article some time back about a study showing (perhaps unsurprisingly) that people in positions of power are measurably both more judgmental of others and more able to rationalize themselves as exceptions to the rules, so hypocrisy tends to rise in direct proportion to an individual's perception of his own status. Conversely, people who have a lower self-image tend much more strongly both to believe that people should play by the rules, and to do so themselves, but to easily forgive others who do not.

    It could be this sort of thing is inevitable, or even more interestingly, one of those psychological behaviors that is instinctive, but doesn't fit our rational model of ourselves, so we just sort of ignore it most of the time.
     
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    I can see that being the case - arrogance is never in short supply among politicians, and when politicians do fall it is usually as a result of their own hubris. People with a great sense of self-importance (whether justified or not) often show signs of being lacking in the ability to recognize their own limitations or weaknesses.
     
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    I have said this before, but I'm fine with outing in these cases. I have no problem with it at all.
     
  25. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    Wooooo...I was really scared their for a minute bout them damned gays. Good thing we are protecting the world by deciding on other people's individual rights. I don't know if I could live with myself if we advocated equality.
     

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