Gays in the British Military - a huge success!

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by OldCorpse, May 20, 2007.

  1. OldCorpse macrumors 65816

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    I wonder when the bigots in our country will accept facts, instead of prejudice. One day, gay people will have equal rights in this country too. Britain has taken a step in the right direction - and it was a brilliant success. Sadly, they didn't do it because they wanted - they had huge fears, all of which proved unwarranted. It was the European court which forced them to do so, based on non-discrimination. If only our Supreme Court was equally enlightened and smart. Oh well, not a chance with the conservatives in control - they'll hang on to their bigotry, hatred and ignorance as long as possible, in true "conservative" style.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/world/europe/21britain.html?pagewanted=1

    Since the British military began allowing homosexuals to serve in the armed forces in 2000, none of its fears — about harassment, discord, blackmail, bullying or an erosion of unit cohesion or military effectiveness — have come to pass, according to the Ministry of Defense, current and former members of the services and academics specializing in the military. The biggest news about the policy, they say, is that there is no news. It has for the most part become a nonissue.
     
  2. Queso macrumors G4

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    There was a time, even not too long ago, that gay people in the UK were only accepted in certain professions. These days we even have openly gay firefighters, which is by far the most homophobic workforce in the country outside of religion, and the Police force has more gays in it than a Pride march.

    The generals and senior bureaucrats that run the British armed forces are simply from a time with different social attitudes. They didn't understand the mood amongst the younger generation completely changed years ago. Virtually nobody under the age of 40 in this country gives a flying toss what someone else's sexuality is anymore. Sure there are pockets where it's still an issue (**waves to Northern Ireland**), but in the main true acceptance is finally happening.

    When you think about it, exclusion was such a ridiculous idea in the first place. Acceptance of gays isn't going to lead to organisational collapse of anything, least alone a fighting force. I just wish we'd reached this point earlier. I have one friend who was forced to leave the Air Force in the early 90s just for being gay. He's still very bitter as he loved his job and was also good at it.
     
  3. skunk macrumors G4

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    I thought that appointing Peter Mandelson to be Northern Ireland Secretary was one of Blair's few real masterstrokes.
     
  4. Queso macrumors G4

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    It can't have been his idea then :p

    Mandelson was wasted as a politician. He's been much better as a diplomat.
     
  5. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Of course, we've known this all along. The fact that it hasn't happened yet in the US military is largely due to prejudice. But the facts never get in the way of "beliefs" now do they? :rolleyes:
     
  6. psychofreak Retired

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    Only a retard would think that having gay people in the army would cause distraction, especially when they are fine with women in the army...its ridiculous how stupid some (not all) American leaders are...
     
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    I know where YOU'VE been, you military fairy~ ;)
     
  9. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Haha! Now, now...:)
     
  10. MRU macrumors demi-god

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    Mostly from a Southern pespective.

    In Ireland reactions to being gay varies from county to county. It's definetly got a rural ~ town/city divide.

    If you lived in say Dublin in the South or Belfast in the North, there is enough of a populace that it becomes a non issue.

    But go back to rural areas of the country like here in Co. Kerry, there is a definite "shh if we ignore it it will go away" atmosphere.

    There are certainly more gays living "out" in the Cities, whereas in the country, were all pretty much still in the closest, except to those that are also gay. Whilst were not ashamed of who we are - it just becomes a tiny part of you when you live in the countryside, after-all there is no real 'gay scene' outside of the cities.

    You've got to remember here in rural villages, the most powerful man is still the Priest, and most of them are over 60, bigotted and resentful.
     
  11. leekohler macrumors G5

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    And 10 years ago it was worse, according to some Irish aquaintances of mine back then. Seems that Ireland has made some progress.
     
  12. MRU macrumors demi-god

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    There is definite progress... just wish it would filter a bit faster down to the country folk.

    Oh here's an example.

    The Irish Television Channel TG4 was due to air a programme with a Gay Theme. Unfortunetly religion stepped in waving it's big flag of acceptance and the programme is canned

    http://home.eircom.net/content/unison/national/10434299?view=Eircomnet&cat=National

    When was this ? 1980 ? 1969 ? 1990 ? No this was yesterday 2007.
     
  13. leekohler macrumors G5

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    That's disappointing. :(
     
  14. solvs macrumors 603

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    The US will get there some day. Maybe when they realize how many translators we lost only because they were gay. Or when we're hurting so much for people that we'll take almost anyone. We already take criminals, high school dropouts, some of the worst. And yet gays are still seen as even worse by the same morally righteous people who justify other things far more ungodly.

    This is such a nonissue it's ridiculous.
     
  15. takao macrumors 68040

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    here they are allowed to enter service but thsoe changes were actually made simply because it became a further excuse to skip the mandatory conscript service and they needed simply more soldiers

    (actually they allowed gays before women simply because it "was cheaper")
     

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