Gen. David Petraeus may face criminal charges

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  1. aaronvan Suspended

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    Yea, and what was he sharing when he was ISAF commander and she was his aid? ;)

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/petraeus-federal-prosecutor-charges

    I hope the feds indict him.
     
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    Considering we go after anyone else who leaks anything it would be hypocritical to not charge him.
     
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    So, will he also be the so-called people's hero if he leaves the US? :cool:
     
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    The fact that Petraeus refused to consider any sort of plea deal makes me question the extent of his culpability.

    Lets look at it this way: Do you think it possible that at some point Laura Bush or Michelle Obama may have learned information that was classified through their husbands' conversation?

    A lot, for me, depends on whether or not Petraeus mistress actually disseminated, or intended to disseminate, any of the information he is accused of sharing with her. Do the Government believe Petraeus actually shared his CIA username and password with her?

    I'm not a fan of giving a free pass to anyone because of their high rank or prior service. But I'm equally skeptical of prosecuting someone for security violations that were more likely innocent slip-ups or pillow talk than deliberate attempts to leak state secrets.
     
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    I agree, Petraeus is not stupid. He is not going to just give away state secrets.
     
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    Refusing a plea deal could reflect on his arrogance. Also, if the G-Men have already offered a plea then this is train is really moving.

    A lot of this is related to a certain classified laptop (not mentioned in the article.)

    If what I know is true, then he's guilty of serious lapse of judgment. Not selling secrets to ISIS or China but still felonies. I doubt he'll do time but he might receive a large fine and a tarnished reputation. Also, felon status will void all of his lucrative government contracts.
     
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    What would the government get by making an example out of him. He is a highly decorated general. Would they really want the backlash that would come with it.
     
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    General officers are not exempt from the law. I doubt there would be any backlash. It's not like Petraeus has some national constituency. The war-mongering neocons might gripe, but do they really want to defend someone who comprised national security?
     
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    Whether we like to believe it or not, basically all prosecutions are - to one extent or another - political. Society decides which crimes are worthy of investigation and prosecution, and which crimes come somewhat lower down the scale of priorities.

    And this case is one that is probably giving headaches to the Attorney General and White House. There really isn't a "good" answer here. If they go ahead and prosecute Petraeus, there will be an inevitable s-storm of protest from veterans groups, Fox News, etc. for persecuting a national war hero. And if they don't - there will be an inevitable s-storm of protest from veterans groups, Fox News, etc. - for sweeping a scandal under the carpet.

    I think a lot will down to Petraeus intent. Did he deliberately give this woman access to classified information, or was he simply careless? That may be difficult to find out, and even more difficult to prove in Court.
     
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    Not really a fair comparison. There is a big difference in the eyes of the law between sharing classified information with someone who is supposed to be your "trusted" spouse versus someone of a lower integrity who is knowingly committing adultery with you.
     
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    Wasn't she a high ranking officer who worked in the Pentagon?
     
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    No, she was/is a US Army Reserve major who was P's "close companion" when she was "researching" her book.
     
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    I thought you weren't allowed to share it with anyone.
     
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    Yes the Sergeant would but I can live with this outcome.
     
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    So your support the notion that the rich, famous, powerful, and children of such people are entitled to a kit glove treatment. It all works out and is nicely balanced by treatment of lawbreakers at the bottom of society who can expect to have the book thrown at them. :rolleyes:
     
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    If that's the way you want to take my comment then yes I support all those things.
     
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    It pays to be in with the Power Elite.

    Bradley Manning gets 20 years and Edward Snowden has drones orbiting over his dacha. However, Petrasus is hit with a fine equivalent to 75% of one of his speaking fees. :rolleyes:
     
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    This is probably an appropriate punishment. However I don't see it as a sign that this administration is going to improve when the next guy who isn't a general leaks evidence of wrongdoing.
     
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    I was raising the issue, considering the popular, although inaccurate notion of justice as a uniform standard by which citizens can expect equal treatment.

    blind_justice.jpg
     
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    Keeping the governments dirty laundry secret are more important than equal treatment.
     
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    Petraeus also has a record as a convicted Felon. Meaning he probably won't be able to vote; own firearms, serve on most corporate boards, or even visit Canada. His movements and actions during the term of his Probation will also be severely limited. He will most likely need permission to travel outside his home state; he may be barred from visiting certain types of establishment; and he may not be able to consume alcohol. Probation is not a cake walk.

    Lets also keep in mind both the intent and the consequences of their actions. Petraeus action was, while not purely accidental ,was more likely on the level of an oversight. He didn't stop to think that his biographer - a woman with whom he had obviously shared many intimate details - did not have an appropriate security clearance. And there is no evidence to suggest that information Petraeus shared with this woman was disseminated beyond her, or that any US military, diplomatic, or intelligence assets or operations were compromised.

    I don't think anybody would be served by seeing a former Four Star doing time in a stockade.
     
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    Now I don't understand why he would need to tell her information above her security clearance (if he did) in order for her to write his biography. None of that would appear in the book anyways, unless it only for Gub'ment and military folks with appropriate security clearance. Could you imagine him signing books at a book store?

    Me: General. I just read you biography. You've lived an interesting life. That things you did in Iraq. Wow.
    Gen. P: Why thank you, son. Do you have security clearance of "Secret" or higher?
    Me: I'm a just an ordinary civilian, sir. I don't have any security clearance.
    Gen. P (the smile fades from his face): Sergeant! Take this man out back and shoot him.:eek:
     
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    His bimbo was a Military Intelligence officer (35D) and certainly possessed a TS-SCI clearance. The intelligence Petraeus shared was lower--SECRET--so she did have the requisite clearance. However, that was not the issue. The issue is Petraeus took a SECRET classified laptop from a secure area to his house (a serious security violation) and then gave it to his girlfriend, who took it home with her. He was 100% aware he was wrong but obviously didn't give a rats because she was writing a fawning hagiography about him.

    And with all this going on, Petraeus was STILL a paid White House consultant on Iraq as recently as this March. It's a disgrace that Obama let him off with a slap on the wrist at the same time Obama is prosecuting honorable government whistleblowers.
     
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    I agree that the main issue is the handling of classified documents. You can't just take them home with you. However, she might of had a TS clearance, but in many cases information is compartmented, need to know and not meant to be handed around to everyone with a clearance. It's a bit mind boggling that either of them though this info was appropriate for a biography.
     

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