Germany, NATO commitments

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  1. darksithpro macrumors 6502a

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    So, the guideline is 2% of economic output to defense. However Germany only spent 1.13% last year. To me they are leeching off other members while their military deteriorates, considering how powerful their economy is it shouldn't be that way. Now here's a sad article about the current state of the Luftwaffe "Germany's Air Force": https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...mbat-ready-eurofighters-pressure-builds-weak/

    Only FOUR of the 128 Eurofighters are combat capable. That's just shameful for a country such as Germany. Merkel should be ashamed of herself for letting that happen. How would you feel if you're a NATO paying member, knowing that Germany, who has one of the strongest economies in Europe had let their Air Force fall apart? This is why Trump was so upset with NATO, because America is footing most of the bill, protecting countries like Germany at the expense of the American tax payer.



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    Only four of Germany’s 128 Eurofighter aircraft are operational and ready for combat in the event of a crisis, it was claimed yesterday (WED), in revelations that will deepen pressure on Germany to live up to its defence commitments.

    The remaining aircraft have been grounded by technical problems and a shortage of combat missiles, according to a report in Spiegel magazine.

    The alleged problems would leave Germany unable to fulfil its Nato commitments and could weaken the alliance’s air capabilities.

    The news came as it emerged that France will sign a deal for a 10-member ‘coalition of the willing’ in June to unite countries with the both the military will and the means to act in Africa.

    The coalition will include the UK after Brexit in a move which potentially undermines German desires to reboot European defence under the auspices of the European Union, with EU diplomatic sources confirming that Germany had only reluctantly accepted the initiative.

    On Wednesday the German defence ministry confirmed that some of its Eurofighters have are affected by technical issues but said details of how many aircraft remain operational are “classified”.



    The problems are the latest in a series of equipment shortages in the German military already causing concern among its Nato allies, but according to the Spiegel report the situation is more serious that previously thought.


    Officially, the German air force has 82 Eurofighters available to Nato reaction forces. But the magazine claims the majority are unable to fly combat missions and can only be used for training flights.

    All but 10 of the fighters are suffering from serious issues with their automated systems. Cooling fluid is leaking from sensors in the wings that are supposed to detect enemy aircraft, making the sensors unreliable.

    The problem could be easily repaired, but engineers are unable to source the necessary parts because the manufacturer has gone out of business.

    In addition to this, the air force only has enough missiles to arm four of the Eurofighters for combat.

    “The armed forces are currently fulfilling all their operational obligations,” a military spokesman said in a statement.

    But Spiegel quoted an unnamed source as claiming Germany is hiding behind the fact there are currently no Nato operations in need of the aircraft. “We can say with a good conscience that large parts of our forces are ready for operations because there are no operations,” the source said.

    The claims came as Angela Merkel’s coalition government clashed over defence spending yesterday (WED).

    Olaf Scholz, the finance minister, presented plans to the cabinet to increase defence spending by €2.5bn (£2.2bn) over the next three years.


    But the amount fell short of the €12bn (£10.5bn)the defence ministry says it needs to address equipment shortages, and Ursula von der Leyen, the defence minister, released a statement describing it as “far from enough”.

    Mrs Merkel has come under pressure to increase military spending to meet Nato’s target of 2 per cent of GDP as Donald Trump calls for Europe to pay more towards the cost of its own defence.

    But under the plans outlined by Mr Scholz the German defence budget would be only 1.23 per cent of GDP in 2022, based on current growth forecasts.
     
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    I’m not too worried, I’d rather them keep their economy strong so they can mobilize if necessary in the event of a war instead of having them ruin their economy by putting the military first.
     
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    I live and pay taxes in two different NATO countries. How do I feel?

    I'm OK with it. The German economy is the manufacturing engine that powers Europe. A lot of peoples' jobs across the EU are there as a result. Meanwhile both the UK and France make a lot of money from the research they throw into their militaries. This arrangement actually works, unlike the Trump Administration.

    Perhaps Trump and co. should quit their constant attacks on a country that actually works, invests in its infrastructure, runs a budget surplus, and has universal healthcare, then take a long hard look at how to fix the USA. Fix it, I mean, not pretend to while lining their own pockets and enabling racists and all the other extremist religious and political groups that make up the shattered remains of Trump's fanbase.
     

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