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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by macfan881, May 26, 2010.
Seriously Glenn just give it up already.
G**** B*** is nothing more than a clever, ironic comedian who forgot to add a laugh track. Silly man.
Seriously; add canned laughter and he'd be hilarious (in a tongue-in-cheek sort-of way)
lacking courage and resolution : marked by contemptible timidity
synonyms see cowardly
Etymology: Late Latin pusillanimis, from Latin pusillus very small (diminutive of pusus boy) + animus spirit; perhaps akin to Latin puer child more at puerile, animate
Yeah... Beck's the biggest pusus on TV.
I'm sick of this crap. People like Beck need to ****, especially after the antics of the Republican party regarding DADT today.
Guess what Glenn Beck? You're an a**hole.
Pusillanimous? Olbermann is such a blow hard.
Media Matters quoting Olbermann....Wow
It was a video with Beck's own words. Deal with it.
This is a pretty sad and pathetic attack. The whole thing was based on a supposed hypocrisy which doesn't exist. Beck's point is that politicians or political individuals' families shouldn't be brought into the argument, shouldn't be targeted, etc. However, the video/audio played by Olbermann of Beck didn't not demonstrate any hypocrisy at all. Only Beck making a snide comment about Michelle Obama... someone who we all know is far from a-political, someone who is far from above criticism. If you don't see the difference between Michelle O. and Chelsea C. than you're missing the point or purposefully avoiding the truth.
Beck's point about the Obama's attending the Marxist hate monger Rev. Wright's church for 20 years without complaint and then dropping him like a bad habit when he ran for office is obviously correct and obviously a bad scar on Obama's reputation. In my opinion, no leader of this country should have been able to listen to those outrageous sermons for 20 Sundays let alone 20 years. Really says something about the man, and about Michelle for not pushing for change as well.
There are a lot better things to make fun of Beck for than this. Olbermann is an idiot, and frankly not very good at what he does. The only time he can ever get a good argument in is when he skews the information, skews the soundbites, so far in one direction by taking things out of context, etc. Weak, man. Weak.
Beck +1, Olbermann +0
Well, I guess with ratings it's like Beck +2,500,000, Olbermann +600,000
Speaking of sad and pathetic arguments... there is a reason Glen's ratings are higher. My guess is that the number of people who go to top tier schools/colleges, get very good grades, and land top jobs is a smaller number than the number who don't. Just sayin'
It wasn't an argument, it was just a fact. A little snicker on the end of a substantive post. Interesting that you avoided the important part and just spent your time trying to irrelevantly justify a pathetic viewership.
Maybe, he can pull it off though. It's Very refreshing to not be patronised by a dumbed down vocabulary every once in a while I'll admit..
That was a substantive post? Um, ok.
First. Beck in his own show attacked Obama/democrats/socialists/who knows for bringing family into the political discussion, but in the SAME show, he started targetting members of the Obama family. So, either Beck wants to not target family members or he does. All Olberman did was point out what Beck did and point out that the first comment should have stopped him from making the second. You can disagree with Olberman's interpretation, but you can't really disagree with the fact that Beck made the two comments.
Second. Marxist hate monger? Have you ever been to any church? Most churches have different sermons every Sunday, and every once in a while, the pastor/priest/whatever may talk about things that not every person agrees with. The "marxist hate monger" you keep referring to went way over the line at least one time, but I have no proof that he spent every Sunday spewing marxist hatred. That's just silly, and either you know it, or you should. Oh, was Obama or his family there the day Wright gave that sermon? Do you have any other examples of Wright's sermons being objectionable?
I didn't initially address your so-called substance because it was really of no more substance than your general dislike for Olberman and liberals in general.
Hey, substance! Thanks!
So, you draw no distinction between political members of the family vs. non-political ones? ie. you see no difference between criticizing the outspoken Michelle Obama and criticizing Chelsea Clinton or Bristol Palin? You see no difference? Just for the record... I see a big difference.
Why would anyone disagree with the fact that he made the comments? No one is, no one ever was, no one would. Olbermann's biased (mis)interpretation is clearly the point of the discussion.
There are tapes after tapes of examples of his hate filled anti-american anti-jew anti-capitalism rhetoric. Google is your friend. People who go to that church are not afraid of telling you about it. The Pastor isn't afraid of telling you about it, or telling you how he was thrown under the bus during the election, amazed that the man he knew had similar philisophical views as his own was so quickly and easily willing to disown him.
Did you hear what Beck said? He didn't segregate (I used that word for you ) his attack based on which family members were political. By the way, Chelsea stayed out of the public eye for the vast majority of her father's presidency, while Bristol is a public advocate for abstinance, so she is a public and political figure.
I can understand a difference of opinion as to Olbermann's interpretation, however, Olbermann pretty much just posted the two quotes back to back and pointed out the differences.
I actually took a little time to use Google, and found several references to controversial quotes, and then several sites with the entire sermons and quotes in context. I agree that Wright is controversial, probably has many views I disagree with, but that doesn't make him so anti-american and anti-capitalist that you can impute those views on the President.
Everything I've heard from his lips has made me say, "Amen".
I did hear it, and yes he did 'segregate' his comments based on political family members. If you're referring to his father, he was an outspoken marxist... and it really wasn't an attack, but rather a notification of a fact and an implication that this could have obviously affected Barry's worldview growing up (he admitted to seeking out marxist professors in his own book.)
This is why I said it was a weak argument. He played the hand picked out-of-context clips, unfortunately for him... they still didn't make sense or implicate Beck in any meaningful way for anyone paying attention, and then he proceeded to paint him as the anti-christ in is ever so shakespearian manor. So entertaining!
Thanks for being open to the possibility. Don't you agree that it's a big disingenuous for the president to attend for 20 years, and then drop him like a rock when it became politically profitable? And don't you find it to be a bit off-putting that the President of the United States of America would CHOOSE to attend a church like that with that kind of pastor for 20 years? I think it certainly says something about his character and/or worldview. Take from it what you will... but it definitely has some important implications.
I am actually happy that he dropped someone who may be a bad influence once the controversial statements were made public. Better than a President who would continue to counsel with someone who was controversial. I agree that there is a question about the choice to attend there, but I don't think it's nearly as big a deal as you seem to. Personally, I think Rand Paul's choice to choose libertarian philosophy over the rights of people of color, the disabled and the poor is far more damning.
Did anyone else catch the oxymoron?
I love when people trot out the ratings argument, especially on a Mac site. But, just for comparison, reruns of Sponge Bob Squarepants get better ratings than Beck and Olbermann put together. Ratings are a worthless indication for the value of either man's show.
I tried to, but it kept struggling loose.
Well quite. Wasn't the rating system conceived as a means to measure how many receptive eyeballs were available for paying advertisers? It measures mere popularity and nothing more.
Exactly and it's not a particularly sound measurement of even that because of self-selected biases.
Stay Classy Glenn
If it sounds like a clown..
Someone needs to plug Glenn Beck's ass.