Glossy is reflective Antiglare is fuzzy. Is there a 3rd way coming?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by whitedragon101, Jul 24, 2010.

  1. whitedragon101 macrumors 65816

    Sep 11, 2008
    Glossy screens are sharp but reflective, matte is fuzzy but less reflective.

    Is there a potential 3rd way on the horizon that gives the best of both?
  2. CTrav86 macrumors member

    Jul 13, 2010
    Kalamazoo, MI
    Not that I know of. But, Apple's glossy isn't just glossy, it's glassy. Regular glossy isn't nearly as reflective as the glass-covered display. Regardless, I'll take the anti-glare that's not all that fuzzy over the glassy/glossy that's very much reflective.
  3. Detrius macrumors 68000

    Sep 10, 2008
    Asheville, NC
    You don't hear people complaining about the "glossy" screen on their iPhone 4. Just position it so that there's not a light reflecting off the screen. You know, don't hold it that way. Problem solved.

  4. eawmp1 macrumors 601


    Feb 19, 2008
    Who are you...Goldilocks?
    Go to the store, check the screens out, and choose which you like better. Apple is not going to cater further to your particular optical requirements.
  5. demonsavatar macrumors regular

    Jun 26, 2010
    Thats much easier to do with a phone than a laptop on a desk. Just have to change the angle of your wrist for the phone, but your desk setup may not be as simple to change.

    I went with AG :p I don't notice any of the "fuzzyness" that you speak of.
  6. sadcamper macrumors regular

    May 19, 2010
    I thought the AG looked fuzzy at first too...but that's only when it's sitting next to the Glossy in the that I have it at home, it's perfect.
  7. whitedragon101 thread starter macrumors 65816

    Sep 11, 2008
    Low resolution CRT-> high resolution CRT
    Rounded CRT -> flatscreen CRT
    CRT -> LCD
    LCD -> TFT LCD
    CFFL Backlight -> LED Backlight

    But now technology stops. I don't think so. The matte vs glossy display question has driven people to madness, as each has major strengths and pitfalls. A display with the strengths of both would be the ideal.

    There will be many people working on this problem as its solution will be worth a lot of money. Just wondered if anyone had seen anything in the lab stage that looks promising for the future.
  8. ceshimm macrumors member

    Jul 10, 2010
    how about glossy screen + matte screen protector.
  9. alust2013 macrumors 601


    Feb 6, 2010
    On the fence
    Those typically don't work so well, and usually look fuzzier than the matte screens.

    OP, the only problem with there being a 3rd option, is that the AG screens avoid glare by diffusing light, which makes it appear slightly "fuzzy". In order for it not to be fuzzy, the screen has to be smooth, which in turn lends to glare
  10. jjahshik32 macrumors 603

    Sep 4, 2006
  11. diablo2112 macrumors 6502

    Apr 16, 2010
    What, exactly, are the "major pitfalls" of the AG display? Please enlighten me. IMHO, the AG is ideal. It's not fuzzy, that's a red herring. The only genuine complaint I've seen regards aesthetics. That's a personal preference issue, not a technology limitation. To my eye, I prefer the silver bezel over the black border.
  12. singhjeet29 macrumors regular

    Oct 9, 2008
    What do you mean 'fuzzy'? There is absolutely nothing 'fuzzy' about my screen on my previous 1400x900 Matte 2008MBP and there is absolutely nothing 'fuzzy' about my screen on my 1680x1050 Matte 2010 uMBP.
  13. HLdan macrumors 603


    Aug 22, 2007
    There's nothing fuzzy about the antiglare screen, nor is it "less reflective", it's completely NON reflective. If you think the antiglare screen is fuzzy, you need to explain that better here as to what you are talking about.
  14. jjahshik32 macrumors 603

    Sep 4, 2006
    I prefer the look of the silver bezel as well. I just dont understand why people prefer the black bezel, the original powerbooks and earlier macbook pros all had silver bezels. To me the black border looks awkward.
  15. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604


    May 28, 2005
    The anti-glare part of the LCD is actually a coating that goes on the screen to reduce the reflections from external light sources. That coating diffuses the internal LED's, which create a slight slight fuzzy appearance.

    to the OP: Don't worry about it, once you get it home you don't notice it ever again.
  16. singhjeet29 macrumors regular

    Oct 9, 2008
    The black border's look nice, its nice when you're watching video's etc. Black is never a bad colour for a border. That being said I love my Silver Bezel, it makes my MBP look like a tank :p
  17. HLdan macrumors 603


    Aug 22, 2007
    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, that's completely wrong.
  18. bigmacman macrumors member


    Jul 16, 2010
    How come there is no option for non-high res AG :confused:
  19. jjahshik32 macrumors 603

    Sep 4, 2006
    If anything, imo the glossy displays makes text and images blurry/fuzzy.

    I love my 13" macbook pro but lately I've been really missing the antiglare display as the antiglare led backlit displays looks so much more vivid and cleaner.
  20. whitedragon101 thread starter macrumors 65816

    Sep 11, 2008
    Someone beat me to the explanation :)

    The above is what I mean by fuzzy.

    The difference between the two screens is what is placed over the LCD:

    Antiglare - A plastic diffuser that is placed over the LCD panel. This means it diffuses (but not eliminates) incoming light but it also diffuses outgoing light, this makes it appear slightly fuzzy. Also by diffusing outgoing light the output of one pixel will bleed slightly into another making true blacks and punchy colours harder to achieve.

    Glossy - A glass plate is laid over the LCD panel. This means there is no distortion of the light coming from the panel creating a sharp looking picture. But the glass reflects external light like a mirror, a major drawback.

    I wasn't trying to get into the age old glossy vs matte debate. I was more wondering if there was anything around that would end it.

    Technology X = Sharp picture, Deep blacks, Reduced/eliminate reflections
  21. Tmacfan4321 macrumors regular

    Dec 21, 2007
    University Park, PA
    It's easier for them to make money that way. You're enticed to spend $150 instead of just $50. The better question is, why is there a glossy HR option?
  22. diablo2112 macrumors 6502

    Apr 16, 2010
    You're confusing a diffuser with a true, anti-glare coating. Indeed, a "diffuser" does what your suggest, and the aftermarket applied films for glossy displays accomplish this function.

    However, a proper anti-glare coating doesn't function this way at all. It involves the very careful deposition of a thin film of precisely controlled thickness and index of refraction, often multiple layers, to take advantage of the destructive interference of the wavefronts of the reflected light from the various film/film and film/glass interfaces. This literally cancels the glare or reflection.

    In the watch hobby, a good, AR coating on a watch crystal is essential to allow a clear view of the watch face, especially dark-faced watches. It can cost $200-$300 for a coating job on a watch crystal. IMHO, the AG coating on the MBP screens is a screaming bargain for what it does.
  23. aeboi macrumors 65816


    Sep 20, 2009
    Bay Area
    unless apple decides to add a pro matte screen option, the grain will stay

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