Go get surgery in your own country, OK?

Shivetya

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http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700

Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.

I assume Canadian taxpayers are footing his travel bill as well as the extra cost for surgery outside the country, hell it might be cheaper for all we know. Yet, still, it comes down to , what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If his citizens must make use of local facilities I think he should too.
 

Eraserhead

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Newfoundland probably doesn't have a good hospital as it is very remote. Only 500k people live there.

"It was never an option offered to him to have this procedure done in this province," said Dunderdale
(source)

So this isn't a total surprise. Though he may well have been able to have the treatment elsewhere in Canada.
 

iBlue

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Wow, so even if the lowly outsiders pay for their healthcare in the US, they're still not welcome? :rolleyes: If a person is not a white, heterosexual republican, they should just piss off? That's some awesome thinking, right there! Bravo!
 

No1451

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So this isn't a total surprise. Though he may well have been able to have the treatment elsewhere in Canada.

Might be a matter of specialists that we don't have, or perhaps just doesn't want to deal with a wait-list(which can be a serious issue here).

@Shivetya: He's got money in hand, isn't this exactly what capitalists love?
 

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I'm not sure the OP was saying that the Premiere was unwelcome, but was primarily commenting on the fact that Canadians are subject to public care for all, and questions the confidence and standards of that care should high government officials seek out treatment outside the system. And who will foot the bill? The Canadian healthcare system? And why, just because he is the premiere?
 

No1451

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I'm not sure the OP was saying that the Premiere was unwelcome, but was primarily commenting on the fact that Canadians are subject to public care for all, and questions the confidence and standards of that care should high government officials seek out treatment outside the system. And who will foot the bill? The Canadian healthcare system? And why, just because he is the premiere?

We are, but the system is horribly overburdened and mismanaged in many cases. Speaking as a Canadian, if he goes out of country he is picking up the tab for the travel and the surgery, we will pay if he gets the surgery here, otherwise it's on his dime.

Anything other than that is entirely unacceptable.
 

rdowns

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http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700

Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.

I assume Canadian taxpayers are footing his travel bill as well as the extra cost for surgery outside the country, hell it might be cheaper for all we know. Yet, still, it comes down to , what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If his citizens must make use of local facilities I think he should too.

It must suck to live with so much anger inside. We'll pray for you.
 

Zombie Acorn

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As I have said before, the US has some of the best health facilities in the world, as long as he can pay his bill he is welcome as far as I am concerned. The only bad news is that few can afford the world's best health care, and some go without completely.
 

leekohler

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Hey- I'd much rather wait a bit for a surgery than go bankrupt over it, like what may happen to me if my insurance company doesn't pay what they said they would.
 

mkrishnan

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As I understand it, it's not unusual in countries with single-payor or nationalized healthcare to use out-of-country services. This particularly happens in cases where expertise is extremely rare -- it comes up with neurosurgery not infrequently, for instance, where certain procedures are really only done at a handful of sites in the world. It doesn't necessarily mean that nationalized healthcare is a failure, any more than the fact that foreigners provided aid to New Orleans victims indicated that the United States was a failed state in 2004-2005.

That being said, I also don't think it's completely unreasonable to ask why the procedure is being farmed out to the US instead of, say, a major city in Canada.
 

flopticalcube

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Only he knows why he is having the surgery in the US. As a country of only 34M people, some people requiring complex or rare procedures are bound to get better treatment from a country roughly 10X as large. If there is no equivalent procedure in Canada, I believe the NL gov't will pay for the bill, otherwise it comes out of his pocket.
 

Leareth

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while I rather he had gotten the surgery in canada , since we DO have the necessary facilities in his case.
It is pretty normal for some procedures to done in the States , it does not make sense for hospitals to have specialized staff and equipment
that get used a couple times per year (if at all) when the $ can be channeled elsewhere.
 

Zombie Acorn

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while I rather he had gotten the surgery in canada , since we DO have the necessary facilities in his case.
It is pretty normal for some procedures to done in the States , it does not make sense for hospitals to have specialized staff and equipment
that get used a couple times per year (if at all) when the $ can be channeled elsewhere.
Why would you rather him get the surgery in Canada? That is a service we offer, Dems talk about losing jobs all the time, yet when we are good at something you want them to not pay for our advanced service?

This is more an argument towards people who live in this country than you particularly.
 

Leareth

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Why would you rather him get the surgery in Canada? That is a service we offer, Dems talk about losing jobs all the time, yet when we are good at something you want them to not pay for our advanced service?

This is more an argument towards people who live in this country than you particularly.
because it cost 10X more to do in US what he was able to do in Canada, there was no real reason to go to US for that surgery.
and where is the $ to pay for that coming from ?
 

Zombie Acorn

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No, we just happened to have a facility with a certain specialty.
Yeh, and we just happen to have a lot of different specialties and they just happen to be the best in the world.

I don't know why you have to try to down our health care advancements as some sort of agenda to get health care to everyone, its fairly obvious we are the one stop shop for top of the line health care if you can afford it. I am with the democrats on UHC (not the congress dems, but the mainstream ones), it doesn't mean I can't have pride in something our country does well.
 

NT1440

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Yeh, and we just happen to have a lot of different specialties and they just happen to be the best in the world.

I don't know why you have to try to down our health care advancements as some sort of agenda to get health care to everyone, its fairly obvious we are the one stop shop for top of the line health care if you can afford it.
You're seriously going to say that each and every one of our hospitals are better than every one in other countries?

I don't understand this "everything we have is better because this is America" mentality. Yes we have some GREAT places, but that doesn't make every hospital amazing by default.
 

Zombie Acorn

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You're seriously going to say that each and every one of our hospitals are better than every one in other countries?

I don't understand this "everything we have is better because this is America" mentality. Yes we have some GREAT places, but that doesn't make every hospital amazing by default.
If you had a wheel in front of you which you could spin from neurological, physical, and mental diseases. And also had a switch that could pick which country you would be receiving treatment for, which country would you choose?