Goading to Suicide charge in MA

Sydde

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A teenage girl goads her friend to commit suicide, then starts up a fund focused on suicide prevention on the back of his sad case.

Boston Herald Story

Should she be charged with anything? If so, what?
 

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Absolutely she should be charged. I disagree with her lawyer. This isn't the gov't trying to put you in jail if you don't try to prevent a suicide. This is her bullying and telling her BF into doing it. She would be a very influential person in his life. How would you react if you're SO told you to do that in his state of mind?
 

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I think the manslaughter charge that she got was appropriate. I'm not sure if MA has any laws against assisting suicide, but if they do that seems like another appropriate charge.
 

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Probably time to think up a new crime for this sort of sick behavior. Doesn't really fit in with manslaughter, even with: Constructive manslaughter
(Constructive manslaughter is also referred to as ‘unlawful act’ manslaughter. It is based on the doctrine of constructive malice, whereby the malicious intent inherent in the commission of a crime is considered to apply to the consequences of that crime. It occurs when someone kills, without intent, in the course of committing an unlawful act. The malice involved in the crime is transferred to the killing, resulting in a charge of manslaughter.) since talking someone into doing something isn't really a crime. Or is it? is it accessory to a crime?
 

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I can't flatly say telling someone's to kill themselves is a crime, but it is a moral crime unless there are circumstances like the brain tumor girl. Obviously this was not that case. She could be a sociopath,then she's sick too.
 
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Sydde

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She seems more like a psychopath to me. We ought to have a mechanism for dealing with messed up people, rather than just warehousing them in the old Greybar Hotel.
 

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She seems more like a psychopath to me. We ought to have a mechanism for dealing with messed up people, rather than just warehousing them in the old Greybar Hotel.
She's definitely got ... issues. But in this case, I'd throw her in the old Greybar for at least a few years. Her culpability in his death is too great and her actions are abhorrent enough to warrant it.
 

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Absolutely she should be charged. I disagree with her lawyer. This isn't the gov't trying to put you in jail if you don't try to prevent a suicide. This is her bullying and telling her BF into doing it. She would be a very influential person in his life. How would you react if you're SO told you to do that in his state of mind?
So, if someone is standing on the edge of a rooftop contemplating suicide and then the crowd below yells "jump already" and the person does in fact jump, should they also be charged with involuntary manslaughter?
 

Technarchy

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Weak minded boy got suckered by an evil chick.

I'd put this in the same category as bullying someone till decide to kill themselves, but probably worse since she used her affection and emotional attachment as an anvil.
 

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So, if someone is standing on the edge of a rooftop contemplating suicide and then the crowd below yells "jump already" and the person does in fact jump, should they also be charged with involuntary manslaughter?
Did you read the article?

She knew about his threat to kill himself and goaded him to do it on numerous occasions over period of time. According to the story, the boy emerged from is truck which was filling with carbon monoxide, only to be told by the girl, to get back in there. Which he did. And he died.

This was no casual observer shouting jump.
 

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Did you read the article?

She knew about his threat to kill himself and goaded him to do it on numerous occasions over period of time. According to the story, the boy emerged from is truck which was filling with carbon monoxide, only to be told by the girl, to get back in there. Which he did. And he died.

This was no casual observer shouting jump.
Yes, I did read the article. If we as a society plan to hold this girl accountable for encouraging her boyfriend to commit suicide, I'm just asking the next logical question of how do we apply such a ruling going forward. What is the legal standard? Under what specific criteria would we prosecute someone else for such a crime? Is the requirement repeatedly telling someone to commit suicide or is it just a single occurrence?
 

citizenzen

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Yes, I did read the article. If we as a society plan to hold this girl accountable for encouraging her boyfriend to commit suicide, I'm just asking the next logical question of how do we apply such a ruling going forward. What is the legal standard? Under what specific criteria would we prosecute someone else for such a crime? Is the requirement repeatedly telling someone to commit suicide or is it just a single occurrence?
I'd suggest that the random stranger yelling, "jump" is a stupid jerk, but shouldn't be prosecuted.

What do you think?
 

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I'd suggest that the random stranger yelling, "jump" is a stupid jerk, but shouldn't be prosecuted.

What do you think?
I don't know, I just threw the question out there because I don't understand under what legal standard they're prosecuting this girl. I agree what she did was outrageous but how do you qualify that behavior?
 

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I think that it's just an unfortunate constellation. Apparently he was suicidal anyway and he met the wrong girl who encouraged his actions. Yes, she knew what she was saying but also he must have been fully aware of his action - suicide. She's not the nicest person on this planet but really, I don't think that manslaughter applies anywhere from a neutral perspective. The sentence "you go, do it!" probably has caused a ******** of crimes in the past, but it rarely would have made the person saying it the criminal.
 

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Yes, I did read the article. If we as a society plan to hold this girl accountable for encouraging her boyfriend to commit suicide, I'm just asking the next logical question of how do we apply such a ruling going forward. What is the legal standard? Under what specific criteria would we prosecute someone else for such a crime? Is the requirement repeatedly telling someone to commit suicide or is it just a single occurrence?
Quite a bit of that has been established through case law. I'm not sure whether it will actually hold up, but she sounds like a psycho either way. Assuming this isn't a gross mischaracterization, I feel sorry for any man or woman that pursues a relationship with her in the future.
 

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Yeah I've seen this case.

On the one hand, she was not the one who killed him. Maybe some sort of accessory charge at the minimum? Because at the least she was there and did nothing to stop it.

She clearly has some psychological issues at hand and I believe NEEDS to be court ordered into some treatment.

Sounds like the young man had a good life ahead of him. What a shame.