good price for a DP?

goglamosh

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is $2299 a good price for this: Apple Power Mac Dual 1.0GHz G4/512MB RAM/80GB HD/SuperDrive (DVD-R/CDRW)/56K/NVIDIA GeForce4 MX/Refurbished? It has the full, standard Apple warranty.
 

goglamosh

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yeah, i am definitely going to wait and see what happens. this is my first Mac purchase, and I want to make sure I get the latest and greatest. i'm trying to get away from the PC.
 

mr.w

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looks like a great price to me... although take into consideration who you are buying it from, is it an admirable merchant (have you heard good things about it). just be careful about a lot of those online "specials" ... often times they're not as good as they seem.
 

AmbitiousLemon

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dont buy refurbs unless you are really desperate. the price might seem good but they often still have major problems and also often break down again very easily. its a bit like buying a car that has been in an accident, its just not the same machine anymore.
 

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AlphaTech

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Originally posted by mr.w
looks like a great price to me... although take into consideration who you are buying it from, is it an admirable merchant (have you heard good things about it). just be careful about a lot of those online "specials" ... often times they're not as good as they seem.
Who you purchase the computer from has a lot to do for determining if it is a good deal or not. A refurb from Apple would be better then a third party vendor. DO get AppleCare on it (if from Apple, make sure it is from the purchase date not the build date).
 

mymemory

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If you get refurbish consider this:

NEVER get a primary refurbish device, I mean, you cane get the monitor, the zip, the powerbook, etc, but never your main system (in the case your Power Mac). Specially if you use it every day, just because if it need to get fixed it can take weeks. You can replace a zip drive and even the monitor, you can spend some time without your powerbook and work with your primary computer but if your primary computer is damage, you are busted.
 

bousozoku

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Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
dont buy refurbs unless you are really desperate. the price might seem good but they often still have major problems and also often break down again very easily. its a bit like buying a car that has been in an accident, its just not the same machine anymore.
I would always rather have a refurbished machine or floor model because it's been tested better. My G3/400 came out in Spring 1999 and hasn't had a problem at all and I bought it six months afterwards. My dual processor 800 was a floor model too and hopefully, it will give me three easy years, or more, of service.
 

AlphaTech

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Originally posted by bousozoku
I would always rather have a refurbished machine or floor model because it's been tested better.
Not even CLOSE to being true. ALL Mac systems are tested before leaving the factory. While you will always have a few that slip through QA, it more uncommon then common. As for refurbs being better, they just go through the normal Apple repair steps, which includes a burn-in process to make sure the fix is solid. With that being said, I DID have to send my rev. a TiBook back three times before it was finally fixed. I had an issue with the display. They ended up replacing the screen twice, the motherboard three times and the power inverter once.

As for floor models, you are trusting the store (if not an Apple retail location) being honest about the unit being refurbished properly (only Apple can really do that). I wouldn't purchase any refurbished unit unless it came with the full 1 year warranty that all new products from Apple come with. That way, you have that one year to get the Applecare protection, for the full three year total.
 

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Originally posted by AlphaTech
They ended up replacing the screen twice, the motherboard three times and the power inverter once.
:eek::eek:

I hope you had that sucker covered under a warrenty. :D
 

marcsiry

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I bought one

I just bought a refurb DP from Smalldog (same specs as the one you were looking at) for $2400. Straight out of the box, it was giving me kernel panics all over the place.

I went through every conceivable diagnosis and fix- spent a day messing with it and even did a low level format overnight- before calling it in to Apple. They directed me to bring it in for repairs.

I took it to a local Apple Store and they fixed it in three days- they ended up replacing the MPU (one of the processors was faulty).

Didn't cost a cent, due to the Apple warranty. Just lots of time :)

It's now working properly and it's fast. I have it today, and don't need to wait for the release/shipping delays/technical problems with the Rev A or modern day "Yikes" board of the next machine. If the next machine's midrange blows away this, I can resell it for a small loss and put it towards a new one.

In the meantime, this machine pays for itself roughly once a week, and the experience is far superior to my old 500 mhz box. Well worth the expense (and minor trouble) in my opinion!

BTW, Smalldog was awesome about the problem- they offered to help me out getting it fixed (not necessary on their part, as it was covered by Apple, but still cool). Oh yeah- and I'm eligible for the OS 10.2 Up-to-date program! That's another $100 off... :)
 

AlphaTech

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Originally posted by Chitman


:eek::eek:

I hope you had that sucker covered under a warrenty. :D
Of course Chitman... It's called AppleCare... :p Great stuff, I recommend that anyone that gets a new Mac gets the Applecare plan for it... One repair alone will pay for the plan (if not pay for it several times over). Think of it this way, replacing the motherboard on an out of warranty TiBook (just over 1 year old) will cost you about $800. The Applecare plan costs $349, do the math. :p :D
 

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i would wait and see what apple has in next few weeks

a friend of mine wants to sell me his g4 450/2 SCSI HD/800+ RAM for $450 US which is ok becuase it's so inexpensive and it works since i see it all the time and help with setup in their office and other stuff

but $2,300 US is quite a lot for a used machine
 

bousozoku

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Originally posted by AlphaTech


Not even CLOSE to being true. ALL Mac systems are tested before leaving the factory. While you will always have a few that slip through QA, it more uncommon then common. As for refurbs being better, they just go through the normal Apple repair steps, which includes a burn-in process to make sure the fix is solid. With that being said, I DID have to send my rev. a TiBook back three times before it was finally fixed. I had an issue with the display. They ended up replacing the screen twice, the motherboard three times and the power inverter once.

As for floor models, you are trusting the store (if not an Apple retail location) being honest about the unit being refurbished properly (only Apple can really do that). I wouldn't purchase any refurbished unit unless it came with the full 1 year warranty that all new products from Apple come with. That way, you have that one year to get the Applecare protection, for the full three year total.
I'm more trusting of people using the things on display and that they have to continue to work. Seeing the machine week-after-week working gives me confidence.

My dad's iMac (Rage 128), for instance, we bought in the box. The modem has never worked reliably past 33.6 and the disk drive keeps losing its contents, but there's "nothing wrong" according to the tech. The tech. told me, after I explained that I had used a PowerMac at their house which connected at 40K, that it was a phone line problem. Then, even if he swapped it, it probably still wouldn't be any faster. Everything he said in argument might as well have been "we're not going to fix it because we're trying to save money".
 

AlphaTech

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Originally posted by bousozoku
I'm more trusting of people using the things on display and that they have to continue to work. Seeing the machine week-after-week working gives me confidence.

My dad's iMac (Rage 128), for instance, we bought in the box. The modem has never worked reliably past 33.6 and the disk drive keeps losing its contents, but there's "nothing wrong" according to the tech. The tech. told me, after I explained that I had used a PowerMac at their house which connected at 40K, that it was a phone line problem. Then, even if he swapped it, it probably still wouldn't be any faster. Everything he said in argument might as well have been "we're not going to fix it because we're trying to save money".
Q. How many stores (retail locations) use modems???

A. Virtually none. If the computers are on the internet, they do it via a LAN. You could have the exact same problem with a display model as you describe having with the boxed iMac.

Where was this tech that you spoke with (who did he work for)? Have you tried using the different modem protocols (v.90 or v.34)? How about any other work, or updates to the OS, or are you still running the original operating system that it shipped with? Which speed model is that iMac (listing the video card doesn't narrow it down much). Have you ever bothered to zap the pram or reset the open firmware??

When you connected the other Mac and got the 40k speed, was it using the exact same outlet, or did you use a different one?

Just because you got a faulty modem, and the tech you spoke with wasn't helpful is in NO way an indication of brand new computers from Apple. I have had people tell me how they have purchased floor/display units only to have nothing BUT trouble with them.
 

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Originally posted by AlphaTech


Q. How many stores (retail locations) use modems???

A. Virtually none. If the computers are on the internet, they do it via a LAN. You could have the exact same problem with a display model as you describe having with the boxed iMac.

Where was this tech that you spoke with (who did he work for)? Have you tried using the different modem protocols (v.90 or v.34)? How about any other work, or updates to the OS, or are you still running the original operating system that it shipped with? Which speed model is that iMac (listing the video card doesn't narrow it down much). Have you ever bothered to zap the pram or reset the open firmware??

When you connected the other Mac and got the 40k speed, was it using the exact same outlet, or did you use a different one?

Just because you got a faulty modem, and the tech you spoke with wasn't helpful is in NO way an indication of brand new computers from Apple. I have had people tell me how they have purchased floor/display units only to have nothing BUT trouble with them.
hey, alpha, did you know that the average rider of a harley is now 46 with average income of 78k?...that could spell disaster for HD unless the company can get new blood into riding instead of old baby boomers with desk jobs...are young people not riding, or are they avoiding harleys which the stats seem to show...analysts are scared and see some dark times ahead for HD

but as far as floor models go, i thought apple machines were tougher than that

...i can see how floor model laptops get abused with keys missing and laptop restraints digging into the machine's finish...but are there really problems with mac desktops that are display models?

i figure with a mac desktop floor model, just retore the system when you get home and all should be fine...unless the people who work for the store, often times pc people, abuse the mac during setup and display

i worked in an IT dept when i first became a tech and the pc guys used to kick around the boxes that had g4s in them...it was awful...they were not handled with a lot of care
 

AlphaTech

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Yo, jefhornyfield... When I was talking with the salesman at the dealership I got my Harley from, he let me know that there are a lot of people under 35 purchasing brand new Harley's. People making good money and are able to afford the best (aka a Harley :D).

I think that the age range is inflated due to the fact that once you start riding a Harley, you don't want to stop. There are lots of people that are over 55 that are riding, but there is plenty of fresh blood being injected as well.

I hope to get to next month's HOG meeting (worked my side job last night, so I missed this month's) and see what the age range is there.
 

jefhatfield

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Originally posted by AlphaTech
Yo, jefhornyfield... When I was talking with the salesman at the dealership I got my Harley from, he let me know that there are a lot of people under 35 purchasing brand new Harley's. People making good money and are able to afford the best (aka a Harley :D).

I think that the age range is inflated due to the fact that once you start riding a Harley, you don't want to stop. There are lots of people that are over 55 that are riding, but there is plenty of fresh blood being injected as well.

I hope to get to next month's HOG meeting (worked my side job last night, so I missed this month's) and see what the age range is there.
unless the company gets more young blood, those acutal numbers have gone down for a spell

and unless they can put out some more affordable bikes

the company will be in financial trouble

the product is fine, no doubt...just like lamgroghini was before they were bought out

making a good product is hard to do, but making a profit is even harder...ask tucker, studebaker, stromberg, maidenform, and many other companies who had the quality but not the net profit

it would be a dark day for the motorcycle world if harley got themselves into money troubles
 

jefhatfield

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Originally posted by jefhatfield


unless the company gets more young blood, those acutal numbers have gone down for a spell

and unless they can put out some more affordable bikes

the company will be in financial trouble

the product is fine, no doubt...just like lamgroghini was before they were bought out

making a good product is hard to do, but making a profit is even harder...ask tucker, studebaker, stromberg, maidenform, and many other companies who had the quality but not the net profit

it would be a dark day for the motorcycle world if harley got themselves into money troubles
to put this all into a computer perspective

quality alone cannot save a product if the pool of customers is small or shrinking (as is the case with harley - fortune magazine)

look at the lisa computer, great machine but low sales

look at the cube...it was nice but the killer was the high price tag and by the time they lowered the price, it was too late for that product line

let's say the tibook was $3799 usd to start and went all the way up to $5400 dollars (for top of line) when it was introduced...it would have killed it...only rich former yuppies could afford it

should harley eventually become only a bike primarily for old rich executives?
 

mymemory

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Originally posted by bousozoku


I'm more trusting of people using the things on display and that they have to continue to work. Seeing the machine week-after-week working gives me confidence.

My dad's iMac (Rage 128), for instance, we bought in the box. The modem has never worked reliably past 33.6 and the disk drive keeps losing its contents, but there's "nothing wrong" according to the tech. The tech. told me, after I explained that I had used a PowerMac at their house which connected at 40K, that it was a phone line problem. Then, even if he swapped it, it probably still wouldn't be any faster. Everything he said in argument might as well have been "we're not going to fix it because we're trying to save money".
I have to agree with AlphaSex on this.

Once I bought a sampler from 1-800-Sam Ash and they send me the floor model, the floppy drive didn't work (and I paid for a brand new model), any way I got a new one a month later.

The thing is that the floor model are 90% riskier than a brand new out of the box machine. The same with refurbish equipment, you are running under a risk there.
 

jefhatfield

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i wasn't really trying to disagree with alpha tech since i know he's an apple technician...i just wanted to see his take on why an apple desktop floor display would be so bad

i have bought or been given many used desktop machines in the past and i have never had a problem with any of them...except for some of them being too old for practical use with today's software

i can see people messing with the computer's software tossing out files and such, but apple's hardware is sturdy and handles itself well against school children

..and don't tell me that ALL customers are as tough on demo machines as school children are