Good riddance (Christine Maggiore dies of pneumonia)

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  1. Cave Man macrumors 604

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  2. bruinsrme macrumors 601

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    Wow, even if the medical treatment wasn't a 100% in stopping HIV/AIDs why would anyone ever try to block the hope of so many people.
     
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    Ignorance and selfishness
     
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    Her death saved thousands of lives. I'm glad she's dead.
     
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    Jesus, I saw a law and order about something like this, scared me at the time that anyone could think that... In my opinion AIDs deniers are more dangerous and awful than Holocaust deniers, because at least no one is at risk of loosing their lives over that.
     
  8. Cave Man thread starter macrumors 604

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    A nice editorial in the LA Times about this, but also about the anti-science wackos in the US in general.
     
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    I don't know why people listened to her to start with, she was clearly a mentalist.
     
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    OMG- believe it or not, I'd never heard of her. What an idiot.
     
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    I've never heard of her either, but I hope her death was HIV related. It'd be most poetic.
     
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    Never heard of her.

    I know a couple of hiv/aids/AZT sceptics (one of them is quite highly medically qualified), and while they are sceptical of some of the current medical theories, they would never do or say the things the article says she did.

    Seems like one of these people who is not satisfied merely to be right, everyone else must also therefore be wrong.
     
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    Alas, there is no hell…

    :(
     
  14. QuantumLo0p macrumors 6502a

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    Sounds very similar to people who are ignoring very important facts of solar activity, water vapor, etc- not affecting climate change yet are standing with hands extended waiting to profit from cap and trade.

    I feel a new thread coming on...
     
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    Well, it's kind of hard to avoid a new thread when you go completely off-topic. :rolleyes:
     
  16. runningman macrumors regular

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    I remember her at a foo fighters concert on stage speaking about this. She based her belief on a discredited scientist that said that the HIV virus was an innocent by stander and that most people were dying from the toxic nature of the drugs. But what they failed to mention was the number of deaths prior to the institution of medical treatment. What is even worse is her denying her child the right to have a full life by refusal of treatment.
    It's lake Jack Nicholson said in a few good men "why her death is tragic it probably saved lives"
     
  17. Cave Man thread starter macrumors 604

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    It's good to keep an open mind in science, but not so open that your brain falls out.
     
  18. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Never thought Id actually be upset by that:p
     
  19. QuantumLo0p macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah, I know.

    Using the logic to go there was a bit of a stretch but I could not resist the temptation.
    :D
     
  20. william sire macrumors regular

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    I never heard of her. I'm not moved by this story.
     
  21. leishan macrumors 6502

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    I have never heard of her, but I agree that there is a special place in hell for her.
     
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    Good point haha
     
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    For those interested here are some good reviews/editorials on the progress with HIV/AIDS treatments from the New England Journal of Medicine. I believe they are both open access.

    Aids - The First 20 Years
    Pioneers in AIDS care - Reflections on the Epidemics Early Years

    These HIV/AIDS skpetics are a lot like vaccine skeptics. They really are motivated by the right reasons (i.e. helping people) but they just are unable, or unwilling to comprehend the science. Once they get some momentum their causes seems self-perpetuating and cause massive damage.

    Also two graphs to show people who are skeptical about modern medical treatments for HIV (lifted from the first paper). Modern treatments (introduced in the mid 90s) are undeniably effective in reducing the number of new cases (incidence) and deaths from AIDS. Hopefully the trends will continue downward until they reach zero. It's still far from solved and a field of intense research....

    Just to help with the graphs;
    incidence = number of new cases in a specific time period.
    prevalence = total number of cases across the population.
     

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    "Who is more foolish; the fool, or the fool who follows him?"
     
  25. Cave Man thread starter macrumors 604

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    Certainly Mbeki was a fool, but it ended up costing tens of thousands their lives. Not to mention Maggorie's daughter.
     

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