Good Samaritan stabbed to death

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    First, I want to say that I'm not pro-mugger. I'd hate for someone to get the wrong idea. Okay, that said. This individual did not die protecting the young mother and her toddler from the armed mugger. He died attempting to apprehend the alleged mugger. There is a big difference. Does it make him less of a hero? No. But I felt it needed to be factually correct.

    Of course, if he had been packing a large caliber handgun, the situation would have ended differently.
     
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    Good Samaritans aren't always smart Samaritans, and if you are unarmed, chasing and engaging knife wielding nuts is a bad idea.

    Sure the guy wanted to do the right thing, but California rewards their criminals by disarming its citizens.

    Tragic for sure. Hopefully the stabber gets real justice.
     
  4. EvilQueen thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Personally I believe that had he been trained and carrying just about any caliber handgun the outcome would have been different.
     
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    You are probably right once warning shot from a large enough caliber handgun is often all it takes for the bad guy to rethink it. A .25 just doesn't have that sound.
     
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    The robber was fleeing. In my state, deadly force is not authorized against a fleeing felon, because the threat of imminent harm no longer exists. It's authorized for preventing a felony, and within a domicile, and for self-defense. And non-LEOs aren't authorized to pursue, either.

    Your state may differ, but knowing the laws is crucial.
     
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    Great, he managed to turn a mugging into a mugging + murder. Great job.
     
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    Fleeing suspect, no reason to really go after him.
     
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    Yea, let's just make a new rule....if you can run fast enough then any crime you commit is ok.;)
     
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    I would be happy to chase him just enough to get a good description of the guy , if I wanted to be a vigilante I would have joined the cops, has I witnessed that, I would have rendered 1st aid to the victim instead of chasing the moron
     
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    It my state you effect a citizens arrest. He was a fleeing felon. Notice I suggested a warning shot rather than killing him.
     
  12. Kissaragi macrumors 68020

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    Yes and this story shows why you shouldn't go after them. Your life is more portent than material stuff.
     
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    In at least most states warning shots would be illegal. They're also dangerous to others, and it's unlikely that shooting to prevent someone from fleeing would be deemed legal.

    You make a lot of assumptions.
     
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    warning shot would most likely land you in jail here.

    hell, even the victims life is more important, why chase a guy when you can help the victim?
     
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    Isn't that wonderful, siding with muggers and murderers. The law is a funny thing. A shot in the air, I can as dangerous, but can't I call it the Joe Biden Defense Act?
     
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    the "law" is messed up in many ways.
     
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    I agree completely. Warning shots fired by non-idiots could also be dangerous, no?
     
  19. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    No warning shots. Ever. You're still accountable for where those rounds go.

    If you aren't shooting to defend yourself, you shouldn't be shooting at all in that scenario.
     
  20. thekev macrumors 604

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    What do you mean siding? Biden says a lot of stupid things. Regarding warning shots by idiots or others, many people may misinterpret their own skill. Laws can't assume the person know how to accurately predict where the bullet from that warning shot will end.
     
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    Let's derail the topic talking about how to properly and safely fire a warning shot... An idiot got killed because he got involved in a mugging. He should have walked on ignoring the situation. After all, they chose to living California where they aren't allowed to protect themselves.

    Let's make sure the killer has a cushy life in prison with cable television
     
  22. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    It's easy to buy guns in California.

    They may not be the exact type you're interested in, but if you're looking for handguns, rifles or shotguns and can be satisfied with only carrying ten bullets at a time in your magazine, then there are plenty of firearm options in California.

    And BTW, violent crime has been on a downward trend in the state for many years. [source]

    So I don't think you post is very accurate.
     
  23. Kissaragi macrumors 68020

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    Yes lets make its simple. You cannot safely fire a warning shot.

    There you go, now back on topic.
     
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    Since you've now thrown this completely off the rails, I'll add this. I admire your skill of including multiple talking points, all off-topic while complaining about a thread being derailed.
     

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