GOP and Obama meet face to face...

freeny

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/29/face-face-obama-urges-gop-join-dems-job-creation-efforts/

Obama attended the GOP House Issues Conference in Baltimore today and left himself open to an hour plus question and answer session.

While a few Republicans used the opportunity for political advantage, most of the questions were constructive and I believe/hope some walls were torn down and perhaps a small amount of tension was alleviated, although Im not holding my breath...

Obama was as sharp as ever and answered most of the questions without dancing around them.

anyone who watched the event (not sound bites) have thoughts?...

I went ahead and used the FOXnews link just so my our conservative friends wont think im being biased :D
 

Zombie Acorn

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There should be no reason the GOP would be against Obama's job creation efforts including dumping the paid back 30 billion back into small business loans or taxing banks that are only surviving due to tax payers and now want to give lavish bonuses out.

The reason the republicans were against the stimulus is because of the way it was going to be administered with a bunch of pork spending, which was partially hypocritical on their own side.
 

mcrain

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The reason the republicans were against the stimulus is because of the way it was going to be administered with a bunch of pork spending, which was partially hypocritical on their own side.

Really?

Political opposition: http://www.slate.com/id/2210082/
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjY0NzVlMTdlZmQ2MDQ5NDVmN2NlODE0NmM0ZGYwYjY=
Pork - 5-10% of bill http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,485685,00.html
Disagreements on how to spend money, not that it's being spent http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/22/AR2009012203961.html
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2009-01-30-voa3-68626537.html

What did the GOP want to do? They wanted to do more of what Bush did, cut taxes. They claimed that would spur on the economy more than spending money in the economy.

Dems - guaranteed money into the economy (otherwise known as pork)
Repubs - hope some very wealthy people invest the money in US companies, and hope those US companies do something with that money in the US, and hope what they do results in new jobs or spending on something that might create jobs.
 

NT1440

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I watched the speech he gave, but does anyone have a link to the question and answer session? I'm kind of annoyed that the thing that actually matters is harder to find.
 

Zombie Acorn

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Yes, the reason the republicans were against the bill was because there were disagreements on how the money was being administered. Your post just proves me right.


What did the GOP want to do? They wanted to do more of what Bush did, cut taxes. They claimed that would spur on the economy more than spending money in the economy.
They wanted a large portion of the bill to be in tax cuts (something the dems also included in their bill to a lesser extent), this isn't popular for many because 40% of people don't pay income taxes in the US.

Dems - guaranteed money into the economy (otherwise known as pork)
Repubs - hope some very wealthy people invest the money in US companies, and hope those US companies do something with that money in the US, and hope what they do results in new jobs or spending on something that might create jobs.
Special deals for senators is what was included in the pork spending, not all spending is equal, not all spending creates jobs. The only guaranteed money into the economy is money that doesn't have to be paid into the government. Our government is renowned for squandering money like no ones business and achieving little.

Also calculating pork spending by percentage in the largest spending bill our nation has ever seen is disingenuous.
 

beatzfreak

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Just watched it. Obama handled himself well. He pretty much dismantled GOP talking points with clarity and detail.

Probably won't change anything, but it was fun to watch.

The whole thing is up on C-SPAN
 

rdowns

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I had it on and watched most of it. Obama was real good. I agree with HuffPo on this one. Sadly, I don't think anything will come of it. Both sides are too interested in ideology and not getting things done. :(


President Obama traveled to a House Republican retreat in Baltimore on Friday and delivered a performance that was at once defiant, substantive and engaging. For roughly an hour and a half, Obama lectured GOP leaders and, in a protracted, nationally-televised question-and-answer session, deflected their policy critiques, corrected their misstatements and scolded them for playing petty politics.

White House officials told the Huffington Post they were absolutely ecstatic. MSNBC's Luke Russert, who was on the scene in Baltimore, relayed that a Republican official and other GOP aides had confided to him that allowing the "cameras to roll like that," was a "mistake."

So effective was the president that Fox News cut away from the broadcast 20 minutes before it ended…


What resulted was what one Democratic strategist described as, "amazing theater" -- certainly for cable news. Standing on a stage, looking down at his Republican questioners, Obama assumed the role of responsible adult to the GOP children, or, at the very least, of a college professor teaching and lecturing a room full of students.

He chastised Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) for calling his economic agenda radical and poked fun at the GOP's own platform. "I am not an ideologue, I'm not," he said. "It doesn't make sense if somebody could tell me, 'You could do this cheaper and get increased results,' then I would say, 'Great.' The problem is, I couldn't find credible economists who could back up the claims that you just made."

He rebuked a questioner who insisted that the monthly deficit is higher now than Bush's annual deficit. "That's factually just not true," he said. "And you know it's not true." He lampooned Republican lawmakers seated in front of him for portraying his health care legislation as "some Bolshevik plot." He mocked Republicans for railing against the stimulus package and then showing up at "the ribbon-cuttings for some of these important projects in your communities." And he did it all while calling for "a tone of civility instead of slash and burn will be helpful."
 

gibbz

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I am glad to see the President calling the GOP out for their recent policy of reactionary objectionism
 

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Watched the last 2/3 of it live. It was enjoyable to watch. I suggest people watch the whole unedited thing rather than soundbites from a media outlet of any persuasion.

Liked this tweet:

RT @RussertXM_NBC: GOP aides telling me it was a mistake to allow cameras into Obama's QA with GOP members.

http://twitter.com/pwire

Don't expect this to happen again :)
 

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Patch the bubble and keep inflating, fellas! I'm sure it won't burst... We're an 'ownership society' after all. I can't believe we didn't stop those banks from 'keeping poor people down' earlier. :rolleyes:

 

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Politico proves Obamas point.

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POLITICO Breaking News: -----------------------------------------------------
President Barack Obama, speaking at the House Republican retreat in Baltimore, accuses Republicans of portraying health care reform as a "Bolshevik plot" and telling their constituents that he is "doing all kinds of crazy stuff that's going to destroy America."
 

IntheNet

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President Barack Obama, speaking at the House Republican retreat in Baltimore, accuses Republicans of portraying health care reform as a "Bolshevik plot" and telling their constituents that he is "doing all kinds of crazy stuff that's going to destroy America."
If the shoe fits! :rolleyes:

Neither the Senate or the House health care bill have the support of the American people; that's the message of VA and NJ and now MA... Obama's attempts to demonize Republicans for this legislative failure should just be laughed at... he can't be serious! He did little, as president, to urge the Senate or the House Democrat majority to involve minority Republicans in the formation of either bill now he shows up in Baltimore trying to find a scapegoat in the GOP!
 

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If the shoe fits! :rolleyes:

Neither the Senate or the House health care bill have the support of the American people; that's the message of VA and NJ and now MA... Obama's attempts to demonize Republicans for this legislative failure should just be laughed at... he can't be serious! He did little, as president, to urge the Senate or the House Democrat majority to involve minority Republicans in the formation of either bill now he shows up in Baltimore trying to find a scapegoat in the GOP!
And you proved all his other points :p
The thread is complete :D

You obviously didnt watch the speech and QnA.
 

rdowns

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If the shoe fits! :rolleyes:

Neither the Senate or the House health care bill have the support of the American people; that's the message of VA and NJ and now MA... Obama's attempts to demonize Republicans for this legislative failure should just be laughed at... he can't be serious! He did little, as president, to urge the Senate or the House Democrat majority to involve minority Republicans in the formation of either bill now he shows up in Baltimore trying to find a scapegoat in the GOP!
The American people are against this bill because of the inability of the Democrats to explain what the problems are and what the solutions are plus Republicans telling outright lies about the plan. The more this went on, the more watered down the bill became.
 

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If the shoe fits! :rolleyes:

Neither the Senate or the House health care bill have the support of the American people; that's the message of VA and NJ and now MA... Obama's attempts to demonize Republicans for this legislative failure should just be laughed at... he can't be serious! He did little, as president, to urge the Senate or the House Democrat majority to involve minority Republicans in the formation of either bill now he shows up in Baltimore trying to find a scapegoat in the GOP!
Holy crap
 

NT1440

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The American people are against this bill because of the inability of the Democrats to explain what the problems are and what the solutions are plus Republicans telling outright lies about the plan. The more this went on, the more watered down the bill became.
Spot on, the dems couldn't do anything but stick to their talking points and slowly but surely concede to the lies coming from the GOP.

How many items were dropped simply because the right spun it so hard that the very name of the issue took on a negative meaning? End of life counseling comes to mind.
 

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The idea that republicans had no input on Obama's policies is ridiculous. Over a hundred (100) republican amendments made it into the omnibus spending bill. The "gang of six" in the Senate included several republicans, in fact the HELP committee accepted over 150 republican amendments. The house bill contains ten points that republicans have called for over and over again. Lindsey Graham and John Kerry have been working together on climate change fervently.

The house did look at the GoP health care bill, but it cost more money over a decade and didn't cover as many people, so they didn't accept it.
 

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If the shoe fits! :rolleyes:

Neither the Senate or the House health care bill have the support of the American people; that's the message of VA and NJ and now MA...
Tell the whole story, sir.

This was a poll of Massachusetts voters who voted for both Obama and Brown, and people who voted for Obama and sat out the Mass. election.

Yeah, they oppose the health care bills...they wanted something more liberal.
 

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freeny

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Funniest tweet ever!

"Pres gave us another lecture. Our guys asked great questions. Need independent fact checker for his comments. Got autograph" - Congresswoman Virginia Foxx of North Carolina's Fifth District
posted by unsupervised at 2:04 PM on 1/29 [13 favorites]
 

rhsgolfer33

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Funniest tweet ever!

"Pres gave us another lecture. Our guys asked great questions. Need independent fact checker for his comments. Got autograph" - Congresswoman Virginia Foxx of North Carolina's Fifth District
posted by unsupervised at 2:04 PM on 1/29 [13 favorites]
Hey, just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean you don't want his autograph. I wouldn't mind a photo or autograph from Obama, Bush II, Clinton, or Bush I. :)

That tweet is pretty funny though.