GOP now wants to rescind parts of budget just passed

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  1. LizKat macrumors 601

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    File under demo of how to try to govern when you can’t keep your party on the same page.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/03/budget-omnibus-cuts-trump-kevin-mccarthy-498462

    The omnibus spending bill was bipartisan because the GOP couldn’t get its own caucuses to agree on something to shove past the finish line without Democrats’ help, and because Trump didn’t want to own a shutdown and the GOP was going to own it if it happened.

    “...and there was light, and behold, a budget was passed.” A crowd-pleasing springtime Christmas tree of a budget it was, too, since it took bipartisan votes to get its 2232 cleverly crafted pages passed.

    Right, but of course the GOP’s drown-govt-in-bathtub crowd lit the “Betrayed Again!!!” button and now Trump and House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy are running around promising to rescind billions from the budget they just passed. Just certain billions, of course. The ones the Democrats insisted be in there and the programs Trump originally proposed to kill.

    So far the Speaker of the House is discreetly mute on this gig.

    The punchline of this not very funny joke is that a rescission bill only needs a simple majority to pass the House, even though it took 60 votes to pass the whole thing to begin with.

    Yeah. Don’t ask.

    On the bright side, McConnell may have a problem trying to get there on the Senate side.

    Oh, and also Trump wants Congress to try again to get a line item veto bill passed that the Supreme Court won’t toss out as unconstitutional.

    Just another day in won-election-can’t-govern territory.
     
  2. Night Spring macrumors G5

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    Are you thinking of bills needing 60 votes to pass the Senate? The House has 435 members, I think?
     
  3. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Hopefully they do it and planned parenthood along with funding sanctuary cities gets the axe...
     
  4. LizKat thread starter macrumors 601

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    Posting past my bedtime again. and yes,,,, and thanks.
     
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    I'm assuming you are wanting to cut access to birth control to increase the number of unwanted pregnancies, and as a result increase the number of abortions? because that's what you'll get if you cut funding to planned parenthood.
     
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    The planned parenthood abortion factory funding can be diverted to county and / or private health systems who can provide for woman health needs aside from abortions..
     
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    That's just how the game is played, you pass a budget bill, and you need support from the other side, so you have to give them some things they want, then you try and float a rescission resolution to see if you can cut the things you didn't want it the first place.

    It's going to be hard to get that to work, with the 50-49 split in the Senate, as one defector worried about reelection in a swing state is all it takes to sink you.

    However, fiscal conservatives can take that back t their base and say, " Look we tried, don't blame us, blame that guy over there in that swing state."

    Of course the whole thing backfires on you the next time you need a (D) vote to get a bill passed, as you aren't likely to get it after such a pubic renigg on a deal.
     
  8. LizKat thread starter macrumors 601

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    Whatever they try to pass will make great fodder for Democratic Party campaign ads in the fall. Bipartisan budget gets ripped up less than a month after the GOP leaders were congratulating themselves for passing it -- even though Trump played to his base by saying he hated it and didn't want to sign it.

    Does Trump still not get it that he governs a whole country, not a segment of a party's affiiilated voters? The rest of those voters are going to have the GOP for lunch in November. McCarthy's pitching to the House Freedom Caucus and Trump's pitching to his base and meanwhile the rest of the Republicans are just hoping no one's paying attention to this stuff, but it's happening while the congressmen are back in their districts.

    The GOP is so afraid to lose a few seats in the House, so they cater to this fringe crowd and yet very time they cave to their complaints, they put other "safe" Republican seats at risk because those voters in those districts are not as far right as the HFC dudes and meanwhile the Dems have wised up and are running some blue dog Democrats against the so-called moderate Republicans, even as they primary conservative Dems in safe Dem districts from the left. A reckoning is coming, and it will be bipartisan in its own way, but it will amount to a blue wave in the fall.
     
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    Going to hold you to that statement.
     
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    LOL I'll try to catch a small crow from the juvies in late summer in case I'm wrong...
     
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    There is no federal funding for abortion. If you cut the funding to the birth control and other women’s health services that the government does pay for at planned parenthood all it will do is create more unwanted pregnancies and more abortions since the private money that would replace the federal funding wouldn’t have the restrictions on abortions so it would go to fill the need created after women are no longer able to get birth control to prevent pregnancy.
     
  12. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Taxpayers fund planned parenthood. If you chose to believe that does not allow them to perform abortions then cool but I believe differently. I am all for defunding them and moving the money to county or private health care..

    How will funding a non abortion factory the same amount that's given to planed parenthood increase abortions? Women can't drive to a different building that says County Health Care to get the exact same tax payer funded services minus the abortions?
     
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    Taxpayers only fund a portion of planned parenthood, and there are restrictions that Federal dollars can't be used for abortions. Do you know how nonprofit's budgets work? you can't just move money around to get around restrictions like that. If private funding that pays for abortions dries up then they won't do abortions. If federal money that pays for everything else dries up then the non abortion services will be cut, and as a result abortions will make up a bigger percentage of planned parenthood's services and there will be more demand for them since people will have less access to things that prevent abortions (like birth control).
     
  14. raqball macrumors 68000

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    It's a numbers game and they play it well but the fact remains that tax money is used to fund abortions.

    https://rtl.org/RLMNews/09editions/AreMyTaxDollarsPayingForAbortion.htm


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...n-taxpayers-paying-for-abortion/#31b74aa76a4b

    At any rate, we are off topic. I hope it's defunded IF parts of the budget are rescinded. Trump promised to do and I wanna see it happen!
     
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    So has Trump turned the entire GOP into snake oil salesmen? Granted, a hefty portion of them already were, but seems like Trump is using his special nails in their political coffin. Ever see politicians collectively lie through their teeth like this, turn themselves into pretzels trying to have their cake and eat it too? They currently own the Congress, but can’t agree on a direction even among themselves, other than crashing on the rocks below. It’s as if their party has been stricken with group psychosis, clearly unfit to lead, and a disaster for our Nation. :(
     
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    It’s an interesting article. But most of the money covering abortions is raised by the states. Then there are some abortions that are covered by the states and there might be some financial dubiousness by planned parenthood in some clinics around fixed costs.
     
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    Let me guess. The GOP is going to cut massively the programs that help the poor, disabled, and minorities, because, you know, they are the ones responsible for running the US into the ground. :rolleyes:
     
  18. LizKat thread starter macrumors 601

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    Well, time will tell. There are rules about what can be done and when and by whom. Whatever is to be cut must be specified publicly which is certainly different from how the budget tends to get crafted in the first place.

    "Rescission bill" means “a bill or joint resolution which only rescinds, in whole or in part, budget authority proposed to be rescinded in a special message transmitted by the President under section 1012 [2 USCS § 683], and upon which the Congress completes action before the end of the first period of 45 calendar days of continuous session of the Congress after the date on which the President's message is received by the Congress.” (2 USCS § 682)

    https://definitions.uslegal.com/r/rescission-bill/
     
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    You really need to research what Planned Parenthood do rather than just regurgitating nonsense someone has told you.

    Start by poking your head outside of your echo chamber. Read articles from the other side of the debate.
     
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    It’s useless I have posted information about it to him, he just keeps on spouting the same old stuff every time it comes up. Don’t waste your time, he refuses to accept facts as facts.
     
  21. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    Well, at least there is that. I hope as well that the votes about rescinding funding are public as well.
     
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    Especially funny considering the same member posted this in another thread a few days ago
    :D
     
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    Doesn’t matter what fairy tales you choose to believe. Provide the FACTS that tax payer money is funding abortions.
     
  24. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Not a fairy tail at all...

    Are you disputing this>

    There is zero meaningful separation of staff, facilities, and operational costs at Planned Parenthood clinics between government-funded services and abortions. Federal contract rules allow taxpayer funds to pay staff salaries, supplies, and facility costs on a “pro-rated” basis. It is merely an accounting gimmick; tax dollars literally pay the rent and energy costs to keep abortion clinics running and funds staff that help perform abortions.

    If not then yes it a fact that taxpayer money is used to fund them. You are free to believe as you wish and I won't stoop to the attacks, name calling and put downs that some here have. That's my opinion and all the name calling in the world won't change that..
     
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    There’s a fix for this. People should maybe stop screwing like jackrabbits and have a little self control.
     

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