GoP Senators: 700 bil. for big banks? Right away! 30 mil. for small businesses? lol

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  1. MyDesktopBroke macrumors 6502

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    Jobs? lol.

    Half of all Republican senators voted for the TARP bailout program under Bush. Just like not paying for Medicare advantage, Bush's 2 trillion dollar unpaid for tax cuts, and keeping Iraq and Afghanistan off the budget, they didn't worry a bit about what it would do to the deficit.

    Under Obama they can't support 30 million for small businesses, which they keep touting as the key to recovery, because it would BANKRUPT TEH COUNTRY!!

    http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2010/s/218
     
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    $30 million is piss money. There is no justification for not funding it on deficit grounds.
     
  4. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I thought the GOP was all about small business? I guess not. Not that they ever were. We all know they love the big boys, and that's about it.
     
  5. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    30 mill in dollars too, that's what 20 million quid? Comedy. You couldn't announce that sort of funding with a straight face.
     
  6. Queso macrumors G4

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    Shameful. Congress needs the same sort of arse-kicking from the general public the Westminster Parliament got last year. It's about time those arrogant selfish arsewipes were made to realise who's really in charge in a democracy.
     
  7. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    So what? This plays to their base and the Dems don't have the balls or PR muscle to do anything about it. ****ing sad.One party doesn't care and the other is inept.
     
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    It's not congress, it's the republicans in congress.
     
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    Thus is the nature of America.
     
  10. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Aw, this is just petty squabbling over details. Political party stuff is just for sound bites and press releases. Both sides are happily bailing out the Big Boyz. Obama supported TARP during the campaign, right? He didn't argue against "Stimulation"; he pushed for what, $867 billion worth? And now they're yowling about more, more, more.

    Deficits? Ever since Sep 1, 2007, they've been Democrat deficits. It was that election thing, back in 2006, remember? The House Appropriations Committee went Democrat, with their oh-so-honest chairman. :D
     
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    It's both. Yes, the Republicans have obstructed everything, but the Democrats have largely enabled them by "looking for love in all the wrong places".

    For instance, if the GOP were running the show, Lieberman would only be allowed to keep his plum chairmanship position if he toed the line, which he most definitely has not.

    Did the Republicans let the fact that they didn't have 60 votes in the Senate stop them? Almost never. Look at the Bush tax cuts. Enacted under budget reconciliation procedures. A massive far-right priority was enacted under the same rules that a watered-down health care alteration, yet the GOP only complained about it when the Democrats did it.

    The Democrats have not forced the opposition into tough votes. They enable GOP obstruction, then complain about it. Where's the talk of the nuclear option? When the GOP had the majority, they were ready to abolish the filibuster. The eventual agreement that was reached was that the GOP wouldn't abolish the filibuster on the condition that the Democrats never actually use it. So in essence it was abolished only under the GOP. Yet when asked recently if the Senate would consider eliminating the filibuster at the start of the next session of Congress, the Democrats can't even talk tough and threaten to eliminated it -- if for no other reason that to use that threat as a bargaining chip to get some of your priorities through the Senate.

    Or look at the difference between the rhetoric of impeachment heading into this midterm election. Back in 2006 the Democrats were more than willing to take impeachment off the table if they became the majority party. After everything that had passed under the Bush administration, top Democratic officials publicly took impeachment off the table. Yet you'll see no such symmetry on the right. Faced with an election where convincing the public they deserve the majority position, there will be no party leaders taking impeachment off the table.

    The Democrats may be the lesser of two weevils, but they got serious problems with strategic vision and tactical success as a party.
     
  12. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    I wonder how many Americans think the GOP is more interested in their own power and fighting anything democrat then putting the country first? I do. They gave billions to the banks without blinking a eye, Republicans have turned into a disgrace for this country, had their heads in the sand during the entire Bushco years and still seem to have their heads deep in the ground.
     
  13. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Dont Hurt Me, the billions are STILL going to the big banks. Haven't you heard about this Dodd bill? It sets up a permanent $50 billion bailout pot subject to the opinion of SecTreas, with the proviso of refilling the pot as necessary. Dodd and Obama aren't Republicans, are they? GoldmanSucks put somewhere around four to five million bucks into the Obama/Democrat campaign in 2008. I'd say they're getting a pretty good return on their investment. After all, some $60 billion or thereabouts of your tax dollars went to AIG so AIG could cover its insurance obligation to G-S on that phony sub-prime paper.
     

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    But anything Congress passed still had to get signed off by Bush, so they technically were still GoP deficits. And all the stuff that really blew up the deficit under Bush was done before 2006, wasn't it? The medicare advantage, war in Iraq (which Obama opposed, iirc) tax cuts for the wealthiest people, etc.

    And that $50 pot you talk about– iirc, wasn't it originally going to be from a bank tax until Scott Brown threatened a filibuster to make sure it was payed for by tax payer money?

    Also, when people say "Dems don't know how to fight to enact their policies," they need to realize that Democrats aren't even half as liberal as the right paints them. They never really supported the public option, for example. Look at the time line: first the public option passes the house in a largely watered down form, democrats cheer. Then it gets stripped out in the senate. Ted Kennedy dies, forcing Democrats to use reconciliation, giving them the previously unavailable opportunity to add the PO in. Harry Reid says he has the 50 votes for a public option (by this time Obama dropped all support/push for the PO, BTW) and what does Nancy Pelosi do? DROP THE PUBLIC OPTION IN THE HOUSE (where it already had passed, remember) saying THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH VOTES, despite the fact she GAINED a vote when Bill Owens beat Doug Hoffman in NY-23.
     
  15. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    MDB, always remember that re-election is the most important thing for the folks in Congress. That far outweighs agenda.

    Pelosi and Reid want the public option, but the public at large does not. The noise level against it has been horrendus. So, those Dems in vulnerable districts won't support something which would contribute to losing in this coming November.

    As far as Bush and signing off on the budget, the choice was either to sign or to halt government. No way Bush would do that, whether he approved the amount of deficit or not. Personally, I figure he didn't understand the overall problem any better than did the Congress or the various Treasury appointees. As long as Keynes is the guiding religion of monetary policy, we're screwed.
     
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    I thought that 50 Billion pot was supposed to be supplied by the corporations themselves. That said, if it's set up anytime soon, thats our money....
     

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