GOP Stealing Ballots

SPG

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Absentee Ballot Scam
Pasco elections officials have a warning for the county's absentee voters: Don't give your ballot to a stranger claiming to be from the elections office.


They're not who they say they are.


"The people who are soliciting your ballots in this manner are not elections officials," Pasco Elections Supervisor Kurt Browning warned Thursday.


The warning came after a phone call from a west Pasco woman. Other Florida counties have gotten similar complaints.


"We've had a bunch of them - 100 at least," said Bob Sweat, elections supervisor for Manatee County. "It's probably going on all over the state of Florida."


The Pasco woman said someone came to her home to collect her absentee ballot earlier this week. She said she was led to believe they were from the elections office. The woman told the strangers she hadn't completed the ballot, but they took it anyway.


The deception is the latest sign of the lengths to which some partisans appear ready to go in this election. Elections officials worry there will be many more complaints of overly aggressive behavior in attempts to affect the outcome of the presidential race.


Browning's office had not yet received the woman's absentee ballot Thursday. Given the circumstances, Browning arranged to send her another.
 

Durandal7

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That's funny, I didn't see any mention of the GOP in the article.

Of course, it's much easier to toss unsubstantiated accusations around rather than examine what has been going on. You don't suppose it has anything to do with the leaked page from the DNC Voting Handbook in Florida that instructs party officials to go around and collect absentee ballots from constituents, do you?

No, probably not, it's obviously those evil fascist Republican pigs. No point in bothering to find out what's going on.
 

Thomas Veil

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Well, how about this, then?


In several battleground states across the country, a consulting firm funded by the Republican National Committee has been accused of deceiving would-be voters and destroying Democratic voter registration cards.

Arizona-based Sproul & Associates is under investigation in Oregon and Nevada over claims that canvassers hired by the company were instructed to register only Republicans and to get rid of registration forms completed by Democrats....

Substitute teacher Adam Banse wanted a summer job with flexible hours, so he signed up to knock on doors in suburban Minneapolis and register people to vote.

He quit after two hours. "They said if you bring back a bunch of Democratic cards, you'll be fired,'' Banse contends. "At that point, I said, 'Whoa. Something's wrong here.''' ...

Former canvassers such as Banse have come forward in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Nevada and Oregon in the past two weeks alleging they were told to register only Republicans and to "walk away'' from people who said they intended to vote for Democrat John Kerry.

Some said Democratic registration forms had been thrown out or ripped up.

Eric Russell of Las Vegas told The Associated Press that he watched a Sproul supervisor tear up eight to 10 registration forms completed by Democrats and managed to grab some of the shredded documents as evidence. State officials are investigating his claim....

In West Virginia, Lisa Bragg said she refused a sorely needed $9-an-hour job to register voters after attending an orientation session conducted by Sproul employees.

Like Banse in Minnesota, she said canvassers were discouraged from registering Democrats and were told to misrepresent themselves as poll takers.

Bragg, who filed a complaint earlier this week with the West Virginia secretary of state's office, said Friday that canvassers were given a script that read at the bottom, "Our goal is to register Republicans.''

She called the registration drive dishonest, adding, "I believe everyone has the right to vote. Even though I'm a Democrat, I would have registered Republicans to vote.''

In Pennsylvania, Democrats in the state House of Representatives have asked the attorney general to investigate complaints from former Sproul canvassers who said they had been instructed to not register Democrats. About 40 to 50 also complained they had not been promptly paid.

In Pittsburgh, library patrons protested that Sproul employees were pressuring people to register as Republicans at tables set up outside a Carnegie Library branch.

A similar incident was reported in Oregon in September, when the manager of Medford library headquarters refused a Sproul request to register voters after learning the firm was affiliated with Republicans.
Charming, eh? And if you get caught....


"This is all about making accusations,'' Sproul said Thursday. "They allege fraud where none exists and get the media to cover it.''

Republican National Committee spokeswoman Heather Layman responded that her party accepts all voters, and she accused the Democratic Party of operating under this mandate: "If no sign of voter fraud exists, make it up, manipulate the media into covering baseless charges and spread fear.''
Do they think we're idiots?? Several unrelated people in different parts of the country all accuse the same company of voter fraud, and it's all made up??

Y'know, I'm almost glad this is happening, because I think the sleaze factor is reaching critical mass. People are beginning to see just how low the GOP can get.

As far as Pasco goes, we all know that it's really Democrats who are stealing ballots from low-income, minority and elderly voters. I mean, who else would do something like that? :rolleyes:
 

SPG

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Durandal7 said:
That's funny, I didn't see any mention of the GOP in the article.

Of course, it's much easier to toss unsubstantiated accusations around rather than examine what has been going on. You don't suppose it has anything to do with the leaked page from the DNC Voting Handbook in Florida that instructs party officials to go around and collect absentee ballots from constituents, do you?

No, probably not, it's obviously those evil fascist Republican pigs. No point in bothering to find out what's going on.
Ooops, my mistake. Democrats are going around in a district that votes heavily democratic and claiming not to be from the democratic party or campaign, but claim to be "Elections Officials" and then take ballots, even if they're not finished with them, and then they dissappear never to reach the board of elections. Of course, silly me, it has to be democrats doing this. It's just so obvious.

You want the GOP named in election shenanigans? How about this?
Five people face charges in connection with absentee ballot applications that were filled out on some South Dakota college campuses, Attorney General Larry Long and other officials said Friday.

They were identified as Joseph Alick, 28; Nathan Mertz, 20; Todd Schlekeway, 27; Rachel Hoff, 22; and Eric Fahrendorf, 24. Fahrendorf had been listed as a Republican Party employee. Officials said the rest were volunteers.

All had resigned earlier from a GOP get-out-the-vote effort after questions arose as to whether some absentee ballot requests were signed by the student in the presence of the notary public whose seal was affixed to the request.

The five and another worker, Larry Russell, resigned earlier this month. Russell had sought the party’s nomination for a special U.S. House election in June and most recently directed the GOP’s get-out-the-vote program.

Russell, who headed the Republican Victory operation, was replaced by Herb Jones, manager of U.S. Senate candidate John Thune’s 2002 Senate bid.
Link to newspaper story
 

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Les Kern said:
The only way the GOP can win this year is if folks don't vote. And we know what folks they mean. READ THIS ond more like it.
Ohio election officials said they had never seen so large a drive to prepare for Election Day challenges. They said they were scrambling yesterday to be ready for disruptions in the voting process as well as alarm and complaints among voters. Some officials said they worried that the challenges could discourage or even frighten others waiting to vote.

Ohio Democrats were struggling to match the Republicans' move, which had been rumored for weeks. Both parties had until 4 p.m. to register people they had recruited to monitor the election. Republicans said they had enlisted 3,600 by the deadline, many in heavily Democratic urban neighborhoods of Cleveland, Dayton and other cities. Each recruit was to be paid $100.
Paid republican thugs to intimidate voters. Disgusting. This whole republican mentality of winning by whatever means neccessary is going way too far. I guess when you get your guy in to the white house by the vote of the supreme court instead of fair elections then you get bolder about pulling this kind of crap. Any self respecting republican, if there are any left, should be ashamed for their party.
 

Thomas Veil

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SPG said:
PThis whole republican mentality of winning by whatever means neccessary is going way too far.... Any self respecting republican, if there are any left, should be ashamed for their party.
Aaaaaa-men! This crapola makes old-style Chicago politics look like the Age of Enlightenment by comparison.

Whatever happened to the Republicans who disagreed with you on a "bigger government"/"less government" basis? Is everything going to be Swift Boat ads, destroyed ballots and toxic radio from now on?

Pitiful!
 

relimw

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Obviously you can only see republicans cheating...hmm:

The Employment Policies Institute has updated and re-released its report, "The Real ACORN: Anti-Employee, Anti-Union, Big Business" with the latest details on ACORN's involvement in what appears to be widespread voter registration fraud.

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Stuart was employed and specifically tasked by ACORN to generate 103,000 new voter registrations from Dade County. He reports that ACORN threw out Republican registrations while paying for Democratic ones. Stuart also charges that ACORN targeted ex-cons and that he personally set up registration tables outside the Miami police department and Dade County jail. He went on to state, "The voter registration project has been operating illegally since it started."

ACORN has paid workers for every voter registration card collected -- a felony in Florida and also illegal in Missouri and Pennsylvania. ACORN also routinely accepted signatures for Amendment 5 from individuals who were not currently registered to vote -- a requirement under Florida law.
For the link happy.
 

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Thomas Veil said:
Aaaaaa-men! This crapola makes old-style Chicago politics look like the Age of Enlightenment by comparison.

...

Pitiful!
As I recall, those were dead democrats that voted in Chicago...
 

Thomas Veil

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Yeah, and we've got people like Mary Poppins and Dick Tracy registering in this one.

And BTW, it's just as detestable if Democrats are committing fraud. I hope all their asses get thrown in jail, on the right and left. Telling huge, bold-faced lies in these campaigns is stepping right up to the line of legality, but this is stepping over it. This is criminal.

And we wonder why people are so disgusted they don't bother to vote??
 

Xtremehkr

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How long before we have to take it to the streets?

When the part of law and order resorts to these thuggish tactics, what is going to come of "the shining light of Democracy."?
 

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Xtremehkr said:
How long before we have to take it to the streets?

When the part of law and order resorts to these thuggish tactics, what is going to come of "the shining light of Democracy."?
It becomes the iron curtain of tyrrany and eventually the burning fire of revolution.
 

solvs

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pseudobrit said:
It becomes the iron curtain of tyrrany and eventually the burning fire of revolution.
You'd think people would be smart enough to revolt against this. You'd think. 9/11 sure did change us. Suddenly we're more willing to give up our freedoms for perceived temporary safety. People need a history lesson before we slip further into the mistakes of our past.
 

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happening on both sides

Voters in Jefferson County have received calls from someone posing as an election official and instructing them to throw away their absentee ballots.

A Colorado Springs woman recently received a call from someone claiming to be from Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign who expressed condolences about the death of her husband in Iraq. When the woman said she knew her husband was still alive, the caller said a vote for Kerry would help keep him that way.

Jasmine Montoya, who until last week worked for a Democrat-aligned voter-registration group, said trainers told her that even if people indicated they were already registered, they should encourage them to register again.
 

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erdius said:
happening on both sides

Voters in Jefferson County have received calls from someone posing as an election official and instructing them to throw away their absentee ballots.

A Colorado Springs woman recently received a call from someone claiming to be from Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign who expressed condolences about the death of her husband in Iraq. When the woman said she knew her husband was still alive, the caller said a vote for Kerry would help keep him that way.

Jasmine Montoya, who until last week worked for a Democrat-aligned voter-registration group, said trainers told her that even if people indicated they were already registered, they should encourage them to register again.
linky-linkity-link?
 

SPG

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erdius said:
Jasmine Montoya, who until last week worked for a Democrat-aligned voter-registration group, said trainers told her that even if people indicated they were already registered, they should encourage them to register again.
Uh, yeah. We do that. But we do it for people who have moved and for the people who haven't moved to get them to register as absentee. No big deal. It doesn't mean that you get to vote twice.
 

SPG

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This is interesting, seems the alleged fraudulent registrations by those evil Dems, aren't frauds at all, but the result of repubs not formatting their database correctly.
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- State Republicans withdrew thousands of more than 35,000 challenges to new voter registrations because of errors in their filings apparently caused by a computer glitch.
Republicans filed the challenges Friday in 65 of Ohio's 88 counties, saying mail sent to the newly registered voters was returned as undeliverable.
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It is too late to file a new challenge under the statute the party used, John Williams, election director in Hamilton County, said Monday. There appeared to be an error in the database program used to print the challenges, so that addresses were not matched with the correct names, he said
AP
 

Chip NoVaMac

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Les Kern said:
The only way the GOP can win this year is if folks don't vote. And we know what folks they mean. READ THIS ond more like it.
Maybe i should go out an challenge all the SUV drivers with GWB stickers at the polls on Tuesday. :)

Sad that money is so involved in politics now. Why would both parties be so interested in winning at all costs. The GOP stinks period. If the DNC had started the same thing, the GOP would be all over them.
 

Chip NoVaMac

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SPG said:
Uh, yeah. We do that. But we do it for people who have moved and for the people who haven't moved to get them to register as absentee. No big deal. It doesn't mean that you get to vote twice.
Not too mention that if you haven't voted in a while, many states drop you from the voter rolls, Some people think that they are still registered.