Gov. Newsom: 'Require all Californians to buy healthcare

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jkcerda, May 15, 2019.

  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502a


    Jun 10, 2013
    Criminal Mexi Midget
  2. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a


    Aug 26, 2009
    I don’t get why being a senator in IL, DC and community organizer is a negative. I’ve never understood that argument. Disagree with his policies, but I don’t get the gist of that argument.
  3. vertical smile macrumors 68040

    vertical smile

    Sep 23, 2014
    I really wish my insurance premiums and overall healthcare costs would decrease. Right now, they are the second highest expense I have, after my home, and only by a little.

    I am wary of any promises from politicians about decreasing healthcare premiums. The last time that happened with the ACA, my premiums have since almost tripled, my co-pays are almost 4 times as much, and I haven't really noticed a better quality of care than I was getting form 10 years ago, it is pretty much the same.
  4. RichardMZhlubb Contributor


    Nov 26, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Don’t you know that failed casino mogul and TV game show host is now considered the only legitimate path to the presidency?
  5. duffman9000 macrumors 68000


    Sep 7, 2003
    Deep in the Depths of CA
    Don't forget being a serial adulterer that pays for porn stars. That should be at the top of the list of requirements.
  6. blackfox macrumors 65816


    Feb 18, 2003
    This would be presumably in line with WA coming law. Despite, what I presume are some substantial differences- they are both trying to give affordable healthcare to everyone. They both still use private insurance at some level, and both leverage collective bargaining. There will certainly be flaws. Maybe considerable ones. So make fun and retreat to what is now, or?
  7. VulchR macrumors 68020


    Jun 8, 2009
    It's simple: Have the government arrange a public health service, just like it does emergency services, education, armed forces, courts, etc. and cut out the middleman insurers. But no, capitalism must win over 'communism' blah blah.
  8. raqball macrumors 68000

    Sep 11, 2016
    From the article:

    Michaelson asked why California taxpayers should pay for healthcare for the undocumented when they can barely afford healthcare for citizens?

    At least someone is asking the question.....

    So if I understand this right, he wants to mandate insurance for all US citizens in CA and continue to hand out free medical services to illegal aliens......

    Sounds fair......... :rolleyes:

    Wonder if I can change my name and citizenship status so I get get all the free stuff as well?
  9. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

    Chew Toy McCoy

    May 13, 2016
    As a CA lifer I really don’t understand the recent obsession of tossing illegals into every possible piece of legislation. It’s like they are hoping for kickback or a scapegoat for it not passing the vote.

    We can treat illegals more humanely than other states without attaching them to legislation that has absolutely nothing to do with immigration.
  10. Herdfan macrumors 6502

    Apr 11, 2011
    That's not it at all. There are just some of us that don't trust the Government making some of these decisions. You obviously do, but I do not.
  11. Huntn macrumors P6


    May 5, 2008
    The Misty Mountains
    Makes you kind of proud of the country, how our standards have soared. :rolleyes:At least that can be said in jest of the Trump minions and those who still proclaim Trump is the best! My gawd. :oops:
  12. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a


    Aug 26, 2009
    Seriously... “Lol, trying to do good deeds in a great but troubled city, lol. He’s smart, speaks well, helped his country, great education and did groundwork in his community. What a joke! Oh, and don’t forget his TelePrompTer and lack of spelling errors on Twitter. What moron has time to proof read when cable news is on 24 hours on multiple stations?”

    I give it an election or two before Trump will be deemed a RHINO and the right elects an inanimate object as a revolutionary leader of the party. Maybe a bag of beef jerky, the puns right themselves.
  13. Zenithal macrumors 604

    Sep 10, 2009

    And he is one. People don't realize it. What's a smarter way of getting a lifelong Democrat to change parties and endanger the future of the GOP through so much sabotage the media will be writing about it for years and making a fool out of lifelong Republican politicians?

    I'm not one for fantasy, but it's definitely something you'd read about in a history book. Though one can't help but wonder why Democrats aren't going nuclear with this latter half of his term. What's with all the tip-toeing? Third or fourth chances?

    Even Trump knows his new immigration bill is dead in the water and would have been with an all GOP congress, too. It isn't feasible. You think the guy who's pooed in an actual gold toilet most of his life cares about some bumbling dope from the mid west who works 70 hours a week at a blue collar job? No, he couldn't give a rat's ass.
  14. Bug-Creator macrumors 6502a


    May 30, 2011
    Just toss your drivers-licence, credit-cards etc, put some makeup on (if needed) and claim your Pepe Carlos Montezuma...

    Does entail working on the fields while being paid 3$/hour (if don't get screwed) and paying most of it to your slumlord. Comes with free harassment by LEO or average citizen.

  15. bambooshots macrumors 65816


    Jul 25, 2013
    For smug feelings of moral superiority is my guess.

    Oh yeah, the residents of CA will be required to foot the bill of everyone’s healthcare, compelled by the barrel of the gun wielded by the state.
  16. VulchR macrumors 68020


    Jun 8, 2009
    Having a public health care system does not preclude not having a private one. In the UK, there is a National Health Service, but also a private system for those who want to pay. Nothing prevents UK citizens from getting private health care. So, if you don't trust the government, put your faith in the corporations :eek: and go private. The current US system is unsustainable. It will sink the US economy when the baby boomers start needing serious care.
  17. Herdfan macrumors 6502

    Apr 11, 2011
    But the ideas being put out for here also include mandating the private insurance be banned. So that leaves nothing but the government.
  18. Altis macrumors 68030

    Sep 10, 2013
    What isn't feasible about it? It's very similar to the system we have in Canada.

    Most of what you say isn't an argument and you could say about any politician.
    --- Post Merged, May 18, 2019 ---
    Many make a very good living in the construction industry. Maybe the pay for everyone would increase if illegals didn't come and work for such low wages. ;)

    I mean, someone has to be contributing to the $25B/yr sent back in remittance payments.
  19. VulchR macrumors 68020


    Jun 8, 2009
    OK, I think we'd all agree that this is a ridiculous idea.

    Seriously, check out the UK system. It has its advantages and disadvantages like any other system, but most people get the care they need from the NHS without bankrupting families. There is thriving private system as well. Indeed with Brexit looming like an oncoming train, the one economic advantage I think the UK has over many other countries is the NHS. UK employers need not fuss with the bureaucratic or economic burden of providing employees with pricey private health care, nor is their workforce limping along with untreated medical conditions that reduce productivity. The only drawback of the NHS that I see is that it will need far more resources to handle geriatric needs of the baby-boomers, but this is true throughout North America and most of Europe.
  20. Zenithal macrumors 604

    Sep 10, 2009
    Are you referring to immigration or health care? If about health care, it is feasible. Albeit, the Dutch method is a better path. If you're referring to immigration, it isn't about asylum seekers. It's about changing the historic method of requiring family here to get you in, and instead having a set of skills and degrees to merit entry. Except the harsh reality is that won't be popular with either side. It also makes little point considering countries like India are full of useless universities where copying and rote memorization allow people with little learned skill to get into the technical work force. China is worse.

    Furthermore, why would a European, for example, who's an engineer, doctor, or other professional leave everything to come to America? The high salary? There's also higher malpractice insurance costs, too. You pay a lot out of pocket and not a set state price like back home. Quality of life varies where you choose to settle down. Canada is a better option.

    The insurance industry can't go out without a fight. What most Americans don't realize is even if you've got the best insurance and can go to some of the best hospitals in the US, you're still going to wait a long time for surgery or treatment. Insurance simply means you can have access to better facilities and doctors and not be burdened with a higher cost.

    It might make a difference if you pay in cash, in full. Though how many people pay for their heart surgeries or whatever all at once? Especially when bills will topple $200K and that's after discounts from the hospital due to you paying in cash and in full.
  21. appleisking macrumors 6502a

    May 24, 2013
    Then don’t use the government for these services. What’s the problem?
  22. Herdfan macrumors 6502

    Apr 11, 2011
    So exactly how does that work?

    Do corporations pay an amount per employee similar to how employers here in the US pay premiums to insurance companies? Or is it fund exclusively by the public? Or combination of both?
  23. appleisking macrumors 6502a

    May 24, 2013
    I’m not aware of any mainstream policy platform supporting that. Even Medicare for all would still keep private insurance companies around.
  24. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020


    Jan 31, 2015
    I think most people have already learned the lesson that insuring more people does not necessarily mean lower healthcare costs. There are many other factors that have to be accounted for. And I’ve seen enough insured people who can’t afford to utilize their healthcare due to high premiums to know that insurance is worthless if it’s too costly.

    This is a complex issue and anyone who promises a simple solution does not understand the problems (or is being deceptive).
  25. Princess Cake macrumors 6502

    Princess Cake

    Jan 15, 2010
    Cheboygan, MI
    Arrested for not having healthcare.

    Prisoners get free healthcare.



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