Gun Control - Disarm The Police?

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  1. Southern Dad macrumors 65816

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  3. Southern Dad thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Where have the police been disarmed? I can't think of anywhere. There are places that they have not been armed, ever. You disarm the police Washington DC and it will be heaven for criminals.
     
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    Well, I don't recall the exact number but given the amount of guns in the US along with the number of criminals, that is just plain stupid to suggest cops shouldn't have guns.
     
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    In the UK there are very few police who patrol with firearms (airports being the most visible example of the exceptions to the rule). They do have pepper spray etc. and can call an armed, rapid-response team. Occasionally a police officer is killed in the line of duty, but then again even in the UK occasionally police make mistakes and shoot an innocent person.

    In any case, it is easier for police to gain a rapport with their community if they are not armed with guns. They learn to de-escalate things quickly by talking people down from states of agitation. If they cannot do that, they call reinforcements and basically a mob of officers show up to handle the situation.
     
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    If the police didn't have guns in Washington DC, they wouldn't have to worry abort rapport with the community. They'd be in the cemeteries. The criminals have guns. That's the big difference between jolly old England and the US, here the criminals have guns.
     
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    Isn't it only the 'beat' cops who are unarmed in the UK? Traditional beat cops are only memories from my childhood here in the US.
     
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    Where? Except for those few in britain. They also wear funny hats and dresses.
     
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    No, armed police are the exception.

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    I'd rather have the comedic costumes than the ludicrously high body count.
     
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    I wonder if jkcerda will join this discussion as disarming the police is one of his pet talking points.

    No. Police should not be disarmed. The police should be armed as much, if not more, than the criminals they are charged to apprehend.

    Now if we significantly reduced the number or lethality of weapons in the hands of criminals, then that would be an opportunity to revisit the subject. But as of today, with the conditions as they are, the police should not be disarmed.
     
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    Since he tells us the police have no requirement to protect us, maybe we should disarm them. Oh, warmonger!
     
  12. jkcerda, Oct 10, 2014
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    I back up my claims. here.

    a)http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0
    AA) http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/08/16/there-are-no-police-ferguson-store-owners-forced-fend-looters
    AAA) http://benswann.com/detroit-citizen-dubbed-batman-for-armed-neighborhood-watch-patrols/

    b.
    arming rebels that are fighting other sovereign nations is warmongering, like Obama is doing.

    anyways.

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    I'd rather have an EDUCATED society that does not:
    1. riot because their team won http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/18/local/la-me-0618-lakers-20100618

    2 where teens are not roaming around beating people up. just for fun http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/08/teens-attack-man-kroger-memphis_n_5785164.html

    3. where homeless & mentally ill people get help they might need instead of breaking into homes http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-woman-on-roof-with-intruder-20140925-htmlstory.html

    4. where cops are held at least to the SAME standards as regular citizens & they dont get away with killing someone simply because they were doing their " job" http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/us/california-homeless-beating-verdict/
     
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    Very true… but they do want to be able to return fire if someone shoots at them. Remember some veteran officers aren't in the shape they were when they got on the force. Can you see that long time officer trying to apprehend someone with everyone knowing that he doesn't have a firearm? it wouldn't be pretty.

    :eek:
     
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    they could just sit in the perps
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    :p
     
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    uh oh.....too many stops to apprehend some mis-behaving donuts? :p
     
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    Sheesh. Baghdad and the Left Coast was bad enough, but sometimes I'm just glad I retired when I did.
     
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    as a LAW abiding citizen in charge of my OWN safety, there is no reason why I should not have access to the SAME weapons police have.
     
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    Absolutely. Every citizen has the right to an APC and a couple of tanks, armour-piercing bullets

    ...and a large bag of non-lethal donuts.
     
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    Ingenious! So society basically ends up in a perpetual arms race out of fear of ones neighbors and the police. Well, since my neighbor just got a rocket launcher and he is a total nut job, I guess I have to get one in order to protect myself. Sounds like someone has been drinking the gun manufacturers kool-aid.
     
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    wow, you have a great point, those are military re-issue/hand downs to police.
    no need for those IMHO.

    donuts? creme filled please :)
     
  22. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    By that logic you should be able to drive around a car with lights and sirens.

    And why shouldn't you be able to commute to work in this ...?

    [​IMG]

    or this ...

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    That should be your RIGHT! Right?
     
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    personally, I DON'T care how YOU decide to protect yourself, I'll concede the point that some things are not needed like those mentioned by Skunk.

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    I have a feeling you only read what you want to read. your post is 5 minutes AFTER post 21. I am driving a Nissan Versa, those pics are extreme gas guzzlers. I have no problem if people want to drive those.
     
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    Great. Does this mean you'll stop repeating this lame talking point of yours in the future?

    I sure hope so.

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    Dude, there's a little more to those vehicles than the amount of gas they use.
     
  25. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    1.I should have the same access & capacity to the small arms police are able to have.

    2. I don't care if someone wants to roll around in bullet proof vehicles.
    on sale here in the U.S
    http://www.texasarmoring.com/

    http://www.armormax.com/armored-cars
     

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